New Beretta M9 fail at 42 rounds

[halfmoonclip]

Before you mess with the trigger bar or send it in put the oem guide and spring back in and try it again.

Considering what's happening, this seems unlikely, but there's no harm in trying. (This advice is common/needed on Glock talk... )
As regards the M9, we still had 1911s when my time in service ended. But I've examples of all our service handguns, save for a Victory .38, so I got one. The grip is really too big for me, but the gun always shot well, with zero malfs. It shares magazines with a Storm carbine.
Like the Vtech grip much better, and handled a stainless, compact version that I wish I'd bought. But the DA/SA thing isn't something, for me, for actual carry. The M9 is one, of many, range toys.
Riomouse, good luck.
Moon

 

[kje54]

Considering what's happening, this seems unlikely, but there's no harm in trying. (This advice is common/needed on Glock talk... )
As regards the M9, we still had 1911s when my time in service ended. But I've examples of all our service handguns, save for a Victory .38, so I got one. The grip is really too big for me, but the gun always shot well, with zero malfs. It shares magazines with a Storm carbine.
Like the Vtech grip much better, and handled a stainless, compact version that I wish I'd bought. But the DA/SA thing isn't something, for me, for actual carry. The M9 is one, of many, range toys.
Riomouse, good luck.
Moon

I figured it was worth a try, if it didn't work not much lost. Yeah, watched enough videos where people had trouble after they switched out the guide & spring, especially on Glocks.
I stear clear of Glock Talk, if some here thought I was a Glock basher what do you think would happen there in their holy inner sanctum....? One negative comment about Glocks regardless of how true it is would probably get me perma-banned..........

 

[Riomouse911]

I figured it was worth a try, if it didn't work not much lost. Yeah, watched enough videos where people had trouble after they switched out the guide & spring, especially on Glocks.
I stear clear of Glock Talk, if some here thought I was a Glock basher what do you think would happen there in their holy inner sanctum....? One negative comment about Glocks regardless of how true it is would probably get me perma-banned..........

Ya, some sites have guys who worship their manufacturer supreme with zealotry worthy of the most fervent true believers.

Stay safe.

 

[Riomouse911]

Before you mess with the trigger bar or send it in put the oem guide and spring back in and try it again.

I can try that. I don’t know if it would change the trigger thing, but you never know.

Stay safe.

 

[crestoncowboy]

I’m tired of sending guns back for repair.

I've sent 10x more back the last 5 years than the first 25 I played with guns. That's for sure

Objectively, the hammer-drop safety (as found in the Beretta and the Walther P-38) is safe. Subjectively, though, when you are dealing with multiple handguns, you expect them to behave in predictable ways. Having the hammer drop unexpectedly, when applying the safety, is scary when you're not used to it.

The other thing I don't like is the hybrid DA / SA trigger. All shots should have the same trigger let-off.

Aside from Glock, the usp, 226/9/0, p97dc and Beretta are my most fired guns. I have no preference at all in their decock method. The Beretta firing pin is visibly out of the way.

 

[shoobe01]

Agree my immediate thought is that this is trigger bar spring (or related). Even just aggressive cleaning can knock it out and if you don't know what to look for, you don't know what to look for.

In general, with the stocks off, it is pretty easy to tell what's wrong and to shove things into engagement (empty!) to see what is should work like. Better than almost anything else in this regard, so take those off and try it.

 

[Outlaw75]

I stear clear of Glock Talk, if some here thought I was a Glock basher what do you think would happen there in their holy inner sanctum....? One negative comment about Glocks regardless of how true it is would probably get me perma-banned..........

You don't need to say anything negative over there to get them upset. They'll do that if they think you're not enthusiastic enough about Glocks.

 

[9mmepiphany]

We don't bash other forums on The High Road...lets let it drop

 

[kje54]

We don't bash other forums on The High Road...lets let it drop

That's okay. We bash The High Road on other boards so it kinda evens out............

Game face time.

 

[Miami_JBT]

Hey all, a bit of a saga regarding my latest purchase, a Beretta M9.

Back story:

I had a very good friend who was in long-range recon squads while in the Army, and he was issued a Beretta 9mm while in the service. After his hitch ended we worked together for about 12 years at a SoCal police department and he still carried a 92 for duty use. Ultimately I moved on and went to my final agency, and he left for greener pastures with one in LA County. While there; he lost his Mom to cancer, lost a sister to prescription drugs and beat his own fast-forming cancer that sprouted on his rib cage. After remission, his city refused to let him return to duty and forced to medically retire.

He kept his demons well hidden. One day after we spoke on the phone, and he was excited to tell me about his recent enrollment in college to finish his degree. The next day, out of the blue he left a note on the front door for his teenaged daughter to call 911 and committed suicide upstairs. She came home from school, saw the note and dialed 911. This was just before Christmas, 2017.

Todays story:

I have wanted a Beretta M9 to have and shoot as sort of a tribute to my friend. I finally decided to do it a couple of weeks ago, so I drove to a police-oriented store in Orange County, Ca. and bought a brand new one for $620. Add on DOJ fees, tax etc. and it was juuuust over $700 OTD.

The ten day wait here for gun purchases meant I couldn’t take it right home, so I ordered a stainless recoil spring guide rod and spring from Beretta USA (I wasn’t too fired up about the plastic rod.) The wait was up on Saturday, when I had a range day planned, so I drove down to the store in Monday rush traffic and picked it up this morning. Place was understaffed so I had a 90 minute wait to be served, then all was good and the M9 was mine. Felt good to finally do this!

I took it home, took the slide off and wiped it down, lubed it, replaced the guide/spring and reassembled it. I tested the trigger, which was a long and gritty 11 and a half pounds DA and 5 lbs 4 oz SA but it felt heavier. (Avg of 5 pulls each.) No worries, it’ll smooth out (and I’ll probably order a M*CARBO kit to help the trigger anyway).

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I then grabbed a couple hundred WWB 124 gr fmj, a target and ran to the indoor range for a quick try-out.

I started at 5 yds, and my first shots showed that the sights were regulated for a center-of-bull hold. The next 5 we’re closer to the middle. (Top L-R) I moved it to 10, and shot the middle L-R. Back to 15 and I shot the center two, tossing one outside the “plate”. (100% on me )

I then brought it back to 5 and started doing DA/SA two-shot strings on the bottom two.

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I had fired a total of 42 shots when the guns trigger stopped engaging in DA. When pulled, it just lightly clicked and limply went all the way back. The trigger would go forward and try to reset, but it wouldn’t. I pulled a few times, then it engaged and operated as expected.

At first I thought I was short-stroking the reset, but even with my finger completely off the trigger it would intermittently fail to reset. Man, to put it nicely I was peeved!

I brought it out to the lobby and told the rangemaster/gunsmith I know who works there. He took it into the range with his ammo and had the exact same issues pop up in DA. He was shaking his head when he brought it out of the firing area and said to send it back pronto.

I guess I paid a bit over $16.00 per shot until it croaked. To add insult, I was “second in line” when I called Beretta CS, so I sat on hold for 35 minutes. Then they hung up before even answering (it got past 5 EST I guess).

I then called the Beretta’s California warranty service center, who didn’t pick up, but the answering machine message said warranty turn around is roughly a month. So, once I do get a label and repair order, then ship this lemon in for warranty work after Thanksgiving weekend, it’ll probably be after New Years Day before I can even shoot it again.

Sorry about this buddy. I was so happy to finally have this M9, it wasn’t supposed to go this way. I hope you had better luck with your Berettas than I had with this one.

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Stay safe.

Tennessee made gun?

 

[Riomouse911]

Tennessee made gun?

The slide says Gallatin, Tn. on it so I believe so. I wasn't even aware they had fled Accokeek Maryland. (Md is an anti-gun state, so good for them!)

Stay safe.

 

[Riomouse911]

Ok, I believe I discovered the issues, thanks to all of you who posted advice.

It seemed to have been a trigger bar spring that was out of place and behind the trigger bar. I popped the grips off and the spring wasnt riding in the groove to push up on the bar.



So, seeing that the gun now functioned as it should have from shot one, I installed the M*CARBO kit that replaces the springs. I started with just the trigger return spring. This alone reduced the pull weight down to 10 lb 6 oz DA and 5 lb 1 oz SA.





I then delved into the slide and replaced the firing pin spring with a reduced power spring and put in the heavier extractor spring. I then replaced the factory hammer spring (16# D spring I believe) with a 13# hammer spring. I left the sear spring stock.

With the 13# hammer spring, the trigger pull weights fell further, down to 8 lb 4 oz DA and 4 lb 8 oz SA. It is also a lot smoother after cleaning up the innards with almost everything apart.



The kit also has an extra power recoil spring, I will hopefully shoot it tomorrow to determine reliability and judge how it shoots with the kit.

(I also tried a set of G-10 grip panels from Cool Hand because the stock ones are blah. These did not work with the gun, the panels rubbed too hard on the trigger bar and affected the reset. Those will be going back.)

Stay safe.

 

[shoobe01]

If you want improved and indestructible stocks (and you should!) then VZ Grips are always great. Good variety for the M9 as well.

 

[D.B. Cooper]

...is scary when you're not used to it.

That statement covers every single complaint that I have ever heard about the Beretta 92/M9, with the possible exception of "the grip doesn't fit my hands" and it's cousin, "my finger doesn't reach the trigger." (This is me rolling my eyes.)

Every other complaint-the hammer drops when the safety is applied, the transition from DA to SA, disengaging the manual safety during draw to first shot (those are the big 3) can be overcome with simple practice and training. After many thousands of rounds in my M9, I don't even notice trigger transition and haven't noticed it in a long time; it's a non-issue, and I just don't see why people complain about it.

 

[Tallball]

@D.B. Cooper Yeah. A DA/SA handgun is NBD. If someone doesn't want to practice with one enough to get good with it, that's on them. If it's too big for someone's hands, it's too big for their hands. Other than that, the Beretta 9 and variants are easy enough to use after a decent amount of practice.

 

[badkarmamib]

Ok, I believe I discovered the issues, thanks to all of you who posted advice.

It seemed to have been a trigger bar spring that was out of place and behind the trigger bar. I popped the griips off and the spring wasnt riding in the groove to push up on the bar.

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So, seeing that the gun now functioned as it should have from shot one, I installed the M*CARBO kit that replaces the springs. I started with just the trigger return spring. This alone reduced the pull weight down to 10 lb 6 oz DA and 5 lb 1 oz SA.

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I then delved into the slide and replaced the firing pin spring with a reduced power spring and put in the heavier extractor spring. I then replaced the factory hammer spring (16# D spring I believe) with a 13# hammer spring. I left the sear spring stock.

With the 13# hammer spring, the trigger pull weights fell further, down to 8 lb 4 oz DA and 4 lb 8 oz SA. It is also a lot smoother after cleaning up the innards with almost everything apart.

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The kit also has an extra power recoil spring, I will hopefully shoot it tomorrow to determine reliability and judge how it shoots with the kit.

(I also tried a set of G-10 grip panels from Cool Hand because the stock ones are blah. These did not work with the gun, the panels rubbed too hard on the trigger bar and affected the reset. Those will be going back.)

Stay safe.

The Mcarbo kit is designed to work as a set. The heavier recoil spring is needed to slow the slide down due to the lughter mainspring, etc. After installing the entire package, I personally put the factory trigger return spring back in, for fear that grit might not allow a reset. It was REALLY weak with the Mcarbo.

 

[Miami_JBT]

The slide says Gallatin, Tn. on it so I believe so. I wasn't even aware they had fled Accokeek Maryland. (Md is an anti-gun state, so good for them!)

Stay safe.

That answers the question, TN made Berettas have been plagued with problems.

 

[drobs]

That statement covers every single complaint that I have ever heard about the Beretta 92/M9, with the possible exception of "the grip doesn't fit my hands" and it's cousin, "my finger doesn't reach the trigger." (This is me rolling my eyes.)

Every other complaint-the hammer drops when the safety is applied, the transition from DA to SA, disengaging the manual safety during draw to first shot (those are the big 3) can be overcome with simple practice and training. After many thousands of rounds in my M9, I don't even notice trigger transition and haven't noticed it in a long time; it's a non-issue, and I just don't see why people complain about it.

I think the other major complaint on the 92 is the weight. In modern times, it's really heavy for what it is - a 15 shot 9mm pistol.

I owned one briefly (a used PD Trade in 92FS) and liked everything about it except the weight. I shot great with it even using the stock DA / SA trigger. My reason for buying one / familiarizing myself with it, was working in Iraq at the end of the war. I figured I should have some basic proficiency with the most commonly seen pistol carried by our US forces.

Side note, I recently picked up a CZ 75 SP-01 Tactical that weighs even more than the Beretta 92FS at 40.5 oz vs the Beretta's 33.3 oz.

 

[Miami_JBT]

I think the other major complaint on the 92 is the weight. In modern times, it's really heavy for what it is - a 15 shot 9mm pistol.

I owned one briefly (a used PD Trade in 92FS) and liked everything about it except the weight. I shot great with it even using the stock DA / SA trigger. My reason for buying one / familiarizing myself with it, was working in Iraq at the end of the war. I figured I should have some basic proficiency with the most commonly seen pistol carried by our US forces.

Side note, I recently picked up a CZ 75 SP-01 Tactical that weighs even more than the Beretta 92FS at 40.5 oz vs the Beretta's 33.3 oz.

I carry a 4" S&W Model 686-3; my Beretta 92FS and Taurus PT92AF seem like feathers compared to the wheel-gun. Heck, my Gen 2 GLOCK 17 seems like air compared to my Beretta and Taurus. But in the end, I have no problem with the weight of the guns, period. A good belt and holster is what's needed. But a number of people carry a gun for mental comfort, and as such, physical comfort plays into that. So they want the lightest and easiest thing to carry, and for that. Something like a Ruger LCP or a SIG P365 is what they get. Which is still better than nothing.

 

[AlexanderA]

After many thousands of rounds in my M9, I don't even notice trigger transition and haven't noticed it in a long time; it's a non-issue

Well, yes, practice is the key for getting used to the Beretta. But how many people shoot thousands of rounds in practice? I venture to say that even most who carry daily don't do that much practice shooting.

My standard now is the Sig Sauer M17 / M18. It addresses almost all the shortcomings of the Beretta.

 

[D.B. Cooper]

...most who carry daily don't do that much practice shooting.

That's a separate issue. I've spoken with numerous of local PD officers who often work security in my building, and, from what they've told me, they shoot a lot less than I do...a lot less.

 

[drobs]

I carry a 4" S&W Model 686-3; my Beretta 92FS and Taurus PT92AF seem like feathers compared to the wheel-gun. Heck, my Gen 2 GLOCK 17 seems like air compared to my Beretta and Taurus. But in the end, I have no problem with the weight of the guns, period. A good belt and holster is what's needed. But a number of people carry a gun for mental comfort, and as such, physical comfort plays into that. So they want the lightest and easiest thing to carry, and for that. Something like a Ruger LCP or a SIG P365 is what they get. Which is still better than nothing.

In my opinion, a good gun belt and a quality holster is a requirement to carry any handgun. Why carry a heavy 92 when you can carry a light weight polymer Glock, S&W M&P, etc etc etc that is just as accurate and reliable? Makes no sense to me.

 

[D.B. Cooper]

I think the other major complaint on the 92 is the weight.

You got me there. I can't defend that one. I would love to see Beretta make a 92FS/M9 copy that is entirely composite grip/frame. Then again, part of why the gun shoots so well is the weight. But yeah, if you're carrying it and not shooting it, which is the hope when you're carrying for SD, lighter is better.

 

[Charlie98]

it's a non-issue, and I just don't see why people complain about it.

People complain about the long trigger pull of the Kahr pistols, too. I complain about frame-mounted hammer drops... because I shoot thumb-over safety on my 1911's. It's all about what you are used to, and what you (hopefully...) train with. IF I'da been issued an M9 in the Army, I would probably love it, and have one by now.

 

[trackskippy]

I think if people would diversify a bit and learn at least the basic gun/action type groups, you'd hear a lot less complaining overall.

All the nit picking and complaining about this or that, is usually based on lack of experience with anything they don't have, or have any real experience with.

The Berettas are good, accurate, soft, and easy shooters, with decent factory triggers, in either action. Then again, so are SIG's, Glocks, and the majority of others of similar quality.

And the 92's/M9's arent "big" either.

And every maker can and do have issues, and at least in the OP's case, it was something simple. From what Ive seen too, when the foreign companies start making things here, trouble does seem to follow more often than not. At least with some of the guns Ive bought. Not sure what that says about "American Quality".