New Beretta M9 fail at 42 rounds

[Old Dog]

I think the other major complaint on the 92 is the weight. In modern times, it's really heavy for what it is - a 15 shot 9mm pistol.

To be fair, most of us (the few remaining Beretta fans) consider the 92FS/M9 an 18-round (with the superb Mec-Gar mags) 9mm pistol, and keep a 20-round spare (or two) on our belts... while some of us also believe that a full-sized, heavier, metal-framed pistol typically manages recoil better, is capable of superior accuracy and can provide a better trigger -- and some of us also favor a DA/SA system for defensive purposes.

@Riomouse911 - glad you got 'er fixed! And since you seem to have achieved excellent results with the M-Carbo kit, I may try one of those out (instead of the LTT).

 

[9mmepiphany]

With the 13# hammer spring, the trigger pull weights fell further...
The kit also has an extra power recoil spring, I will hopefully shoot it tomorrow to determine reliability and judge how it shoots with the kit

I missed this earlier.

You really should install the included recoil spring as the springs are designed to balance the function as a whole

 

[9mmepiphany]

I think the other major complaint on the 92 is the weight. In modern times, it's really heavy for what it is - a 15 shot 9mm pistol.

I always find this amusing as one must remember that the 92FS family of pistols are designed to be worn on a belt...I wore mine in a duty holster and it was much more comfortable than the SIG 226 or Colt GM it replaced.

Interestingly, I had a chance to try out a Ken Null SMZ shoulder holster. It was very comfortable after a long day. Many folks who saw it were a bit put off by the muzzle orientation, but you couldn't really argue with it's concealability, comfort, or speed of presentation

 

[vindag]

I think if people would diversify a bit and learn at least the basic gun/action type groups, you'd hear a lot less complaining overall.

All the nit picking and complaining about this or that, is usually based on lack of experience with anything they don't have, or have any real experience with.

The Berettas are good, accurate, soft, and easy shooters, with decent factory triggers, in either action. Then again, so are SIG's, Glocks, and the majority of others of similar quality.

And the 92's/M9's arent "big" either.

And every maker can and do have issues, and at least in the OP's case, it was something simple. From what Ive seen too, when the foreign companies start making things here, trouble does seem to follow more often than not. At least with some of the guns Ive bought. Not sure what that says about "American Quality".

Yes, some people say a Beretta made in Italy or a Sig in Germany are superior to American made ones. I do have a Beretta 92FS made in Maryland in 1991, that is excellent workmanship. Don't know if I would feel the same about a new 92FS made in Tennessee.

 

[9mmepiphany]

Well, yes, practice is the key for getting used to the Beretta. But how many people shoot thousands of rounds in practice? I venture to say that even most who carry daily don't do that much practice shooting.

I would submit that you don't have to shoot any rounds in practice to to get used to the Beretta, or any other pistol. Getting used to a pistol is accomplished just a well, and at lower cost, by Dry Fire Practice. Good shooters will perform ten dry fire trigger presses for every live fire one...that is how they build proficiency. You only need live fire to learn recoil management and to confirm your Dry Fire technique...saves a fortune in ammo cost

 

[Miami_JBT]

In my opinion, a good gun belt and a quality holster is a requirement to carry any handgun. Why carry a heavy 92 when you can carry a light weight polymer Glock, S&W M&P, etc etc etc that is just as accurate and reliable? Makes no sense to me.

Because some people like something different. Why do some folks want a 1968 Mustang instead of a 2019 Toyota Carolla? The Toyota has some practical things going for it. But some still want the Mustang.

 

[9mmepiphany]

And the 92's/M9's arent "big" either.

The first full sized Beretta I owned was a 96 (.40 S&W) that I took in as payment of a vehicle I sold.

I was about to give up on the .40 cartridge, having tried it in a Glock G22 and a SIG 229, having found it wanting in accuracy with that cartridge compared my 9mm pistols...G19, G34, SIG 226... I regularly shot.

Even though the 96 felt over sized (widthwise) in my hand, the first magazine fired at 10 yards was outstanding. The linear movement of the slide , as opposed to the tilting of most others, limited muzzle flip and made getting back on target very smooth

 

[trackskippy]

I dry fire a number of different guns on a daily basis, and while a Glock, which is what I carry, is the main focus, I mix that up too day to day, just to stay up on the different guns.

I also shoot a couple of times a week, and across a number of different guns, but again, the Glock is the main focus for more serious shooting because its my carry gun.

Dry fire and live fire are definitely important, and dry fire isn't just "trigger and sight work", it includes presentations from how you intend to use the gun, working with your clothing and gear, etc. Its all a package deal.

The first full sized Beretta I owned was a 96 (.40 S&W) that I took in as payment of a vehicle I sold.

I was about to give up on the .40 cartridge, having tried it in a Glock G22 and a SIG 229, having found it wanting in accuracy with that cartridge compared my 9mm pistols...G19, G34, SIG 226... I regularly shot.

Even though the 96 felt over sized (widthwise) in my hand, the first magazine fired at 10 yards was outstanding. The linear movement of the slide , as opposed to the tilting of most others, limited muzzle flip and made getting back on target very smooth

Ive pretty much carried a full sized handgun the bulk of my adult life. Its not as hard as people seem to like to tell you, and the advantages, especially as far as shooting goes, outweigh the perceived carry issues. A Beretta 92, Glock 17, SIG P220/226, etc, are all basically the same size and similar in weight, and all are comforting to "feel" in your waistband when you actually bother to focus on feeling them. And once you figure your gear and spots out, you really do have to make a conscious effort to remember its there.

Just out of curiosity, were you carrying a 92 in that SMZ?

I had one for a while, but I used it with one of my P230's. Im feeling those skinny straps in my head with the weight of a larger gun bearing down on them for a 16-hour day though.

I sold off the SMZ when I got my first Galco Executive. They have a better harness system, and even though the current holster I have made for a Glock 26, will easily carry a 17 or 19 in its place and just as comfortably. Unfortunately, they have discontinued those holsters, and they are bringing quite the premium on eBay, if and when you even see them.

 

[Riomouse911]

The Mcarbo kit is designed to work as a set. The heavier recoil spring is needed to slow the slide down due to the lughter mainspring, etc. After installing the entire package, I personally put the factory trigger return spring back in, for fear that grit might not allow a reset. It was REALLY weak with the Mcarbo.

It does seem light, but I will give it a run for a while and see if it fails to reset with a slow trigger finger. (If the reset is weak that will certainly show it.) I use CGW kits in all of my CZ’s, except the Shadow 2 which came dialed in, and those triggers feel sorta similar to the kit in the M9.

I think the other major complaint on the 92 is the weight. In modern times, it's really heavy for what it is - a 15 shot 9mm pistol.

I owned one briefly (a used PD Trade in 92FS) and liked everything about it except the weight. I shot great with it even using the stock DA / SA trigger. My reason for buying one / familiarizing myself with it, was working in Iraq at the end of the war. I figured I should have some basic proficiency with the most commonly seen pistol carried by our US forces.

Side note, I recently picked up a CZ 75 SP-01 Tactical that weighs even more than the Beretta 92FS at 40.5 oz vs the Beretta's 33.3 oz.

Yeah, the SP-01 is a hoss.

Mine is my HD/vehicle pistol because it shoots like a laser beam and recoil is minuscule with all that mass. The 75-BD is a closer match to the M9’s size/weight/feel at 35 oz +/- a bit. (The full sized CZ’s also have a pretty long trigger reach for some folks, too.)

Stay safe.

 

[Riomouse911]

I missed this earlier.

You really should install the included recoil spring as the springs are designed to balance the function as a whole

I did. I now have two spare recoil springs for it, the oem spring/plastic guide rod original and the factory stainless rod/stainless spring I bought to replace the plastic guide rod. The new M*CARBO extra power spring is in the gun, the only thing I did not tinker with was the sear spring.

Stay safe.

 

[drobs]

Because some people like something different. Why do some folks want a 1968 Mustang instead of a 2019 Toyota Carolla? The Toyota has some practical things going for it. But some still want the Mustang.

And that is a perfectly good reason which I left unsaid. I forget with this board, you have to spell everything out and not leave things unsaid.

 

[drobs]

It does seem light, but I will give it a run for a while and see if it fails to reset with a slow trigger finger. (If the reset is weak that will certainly show it.) I use CGW kits in all of my CZ’s, except the Shadow 2 which came dialed in, and those triggers feel sorta similar to the kit in the M9.


Yeah, the SP-01 is a hoss.

Mine is my HD/vehicle pistol because it shoots like a laser beam and recoil is minuscule with all that mass. The 75-BD is a closer match to the M9’s size/weight/feel at 35 oz +/- a bit. (The full sized CZ’s also have a pretty long trigger reach for some folks, too.)

Stay safe.

Going back to my Beretta 92FS, being where I was working, I wanted to learn the stock trigger. The trigger really isn't that bad.

Lately, I've been trying hard to resist the temptation to accessorize / modify guns right off the bat. I'm leaving my CZ bought used stock (it may already be modified) for now. I also like it's DA / SA trigger. I find I will practice shooting it DA by de-cocking it for each shot.

I don't have a role for the CZ. It's keeping my other former Combloc country pistol company in the safe - a Rex Zero 1.

 

[trackskippy]

@Riomouse911....if youre looking for new grips for your Beretta, Houge makes grips like you see above on Drob's CZ for the Berettas and they are nice grips. I have a set on my M9 and 92FS and they are very comfortable and offer a better feel than the factory panels.

 

[someguy2800]

Sorry about your friend

 

[drobs]

Sorry about your friend

+100

 

[Riomouse911]

Sorry about your friend

+100

Thank you. Yeah, it was quite a blow when it happened.

I’ve known two men who were killed on duty (Sergio and John), along with five officers (Matt, Armando, Corey, Tim, Scott) and one dispatcher (Carrie) who took their own lives. (Carries husband did, too, but I never met him.)

I can’t count the number of folks who died early from stroke/heart/cancers, or threw their careers away with DUI’s and alcohol/prescription drug related incidents. Thirty one plus years in a large urban setting lets you see a lot of good and bad.

Macho professions can be lonely professions sometimes. Nothing at all is wrong with asking for help when its needed, no matter what the job or situation.

Stay safe.

 

[drobs]

I've had 2 friends die from cancer in the past 2 years. 1 took the shortcut and 1 stuck around to the end.
It's a decision all men face. I would like to say that I will stick around to the end. But you never know.

My father killed himself when I was 12. That screws you up for a number or years. Counseling is what's needed / talking out your thoughts and feelings. Sometimes medication can help. I'm very anti-suicide in general and will gladly share my experiences with anyone that is struggling with that issue and wants to talk it out.

I'm not very religious anymore but did have an older black lady give me a "word or wisdom" at a pentecostal church back in my HS years. It went "You will make it, you will make it, don't give up. Don't let go." My counsel to anyone struggling with suicidal thoughts is: Tomorrow is a new day. Keep struggling keep fighting. Things aren't going to be perfect but you need to keep at it.

My off road group had a member's 15 year old son kill himself. This kid had been on multiple trail rides. We did a silent watch outside the kid's celebration or life with 50 some 4wd members showing up.

 

[Miami_JBT]

TN made Berettas are plagued with problems and have been known to have problems.

 

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[Miami_JBT]

Thank you. Yeah, it was quite a blow when it happened.

I’ve known two men who were killed on duty (Sergio and John), along with five officers (Matt, Armando, Corey, Tim, Scott) and one dispatcher (Carrie) who took their own lives. (Carries husband did, too, but I never met him.)

I can’t count the number of folks who died early from stroke/heart/cancers, or threw their careers away with DUI’s and alcohol/prescription drug related incidents. Thirty one plus years in a large urban setting lets you see a lot of good and bad.

Macho professions can be lonely professions sometimes. Nothing at all is wrong with asking for help when its needed, no matter what the job or situation.

Stay safe.

Wear the badge long enough and you'll know enough people that have been put in the ground because of it.

Police funerals after a while become just another part of the job.

 

[crestoncowboy]

In my opinion, a good gun belt and a quality holster is a requirement to carry any handgun. Why carry a heavy 92 when you can carry a light weight polymer Glock, S&W M&P, etc etc etc that is just as accurate and reliable? Makes no sense to me.

I agree. I have Beretta/ 226/229/220/USP/ third gen Smith etc. I carry the lighter Glock. I collect the others. Lol

 

[Old Dog]

The Beretta served me well in three combat theaters, 1994-2005. One my personal M9s.

 

[Tallball]

Wishing peace for those who have moved on to the next part of their journey. Teachers of teenagers go to those funerals, too.

 

[gnappi]

From my experience,this is a bad time of the year to be sending firearms back to a manufacturer.

Sending anything to Beretta at ANY time is a bad time. I would have thought that after losing the mil contract they'd finally get to focus of the civvy buyers? My 92X performance spent months there (twice) before they addressed the problem. It's my last Beretta.

 

[Rodfac]

Sorry for the loss, Rio...too many in your line of work have gone that way...we owe them the thanks that they never got.

And too....glad you got it worked out with the 92...those initial targets you posted, day 1 I think, showed some real promise and not a little skill by the operator behind the stocks. With the new spring set up, it'll no doubt work well for you.

Personally, when my #2 son enlisted in the Corps, he joined a reserve USMC MP detachment over in Lexington KY right out of high school. He had a month before he met the midnight bus to Paris Island, so I bought him a 92 to get familiar with. He was already good with a 1911 and any number of rifles and shotguns here on the farm, but a little fore taste of the gun he'd be carrying would help with training and also give his mom and I a bit of 'peace of mind'.

So in that month, we put 3660 rounds of reloaded 9mm through it...that's the number of bullets in a full case of Winchester FMJs...and off he went. Long story short, he led the Anniston trained MP class on the range, & was the Ky Det's pistol champ for the 4 yrs he served. Later, as a State Dept. contractor pilot in Afghanistan for three years, he carried the M4 and M9.

But being a 1911 and BHP guy myself, I never warmed to the 92 with it's upside down safety/decocking lever thingy, but if we're betting beer money now breaking clays at distance on the fence line in our lower 40...and he's toting that ancient 92...it's best not to throw too much into the winner's pot!

Best regards, Rod