New Colt 1911 is here!

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Unfortunately, not without some machining issues...


Off-center recoil spring plug, pretty obvious:

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These two are harder to see.. the first is a picture of the safety where it should be and not move from when the hammer is down:

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The second is where the safety will click up to and stay in place, blocking the slide's movement:

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Here's the gun itself, I will take a better picture tomorrow in the sun. I ordered the grips off Colt's website, they did not come with the model.

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Am I being too picky? I hate to be an anal customer, but the slide issue is a bit of a safety issue. Any performance affected by the off-center hole? I think I will call Colt tomorrow and see what they will do.
 
A Colt? It can't be. Must be a Kimber.

Seriously though, Call Colt and let us know.

I'm fussy when I spend my diminishing gun dollars, too.
 
Any performance affected by the off-center hole?

On that issue, no problem. This is not uncommon with most manufacturer's, actually. The last Kimber I examined was about like that, so is my older Norinco, and even one of my older Colt's.

Nice looking gun with those grips. I had an O4691 (that gun but commander length) of 2007 vintage and it was excellent - and the recoil tunnel looked about like yours. The barrel fit and the trigger were outstanding out of the box. I traded/sold it for a WWI model (2009 vintage), and that one is as near perfect as I've ever seen a production gun.
 
I wouldn't bother calling Colt, waste of time. When I brought my new Combat Elite home I was not happy with the fit and finish after a more thorough inspection. It also had a bum trigger. I called them and the girl on the phone was about as uninterested as a person gets. "Send it to us on your dime and we'll see if it's in spec. If it is, then we'll send it back to you, if it's not, we'll fix it." Wow, thanks. Last I checked cosmetic issues are a matter of customer satisfaction, not specs. And they wanted me to pay to ship it. ***?

However, once I got over it and decided to take the gun to the range, my tune changed a bit. What a gun. Handily outshoots my Kimber, and without a single hiccup. I'm still up in the air though about whether I'd buy another one, though
 
Does no one actually inspect a gun until after they buy it?

Come on, buying a gun with obvious cosmetic or functional problems and then complaining about it is silly. If you look the gun over in the store, you can save yourself a lot of grief.
 
Yeah, too bad none of the stores around here have one and I had to order it on GunsAmerica.
 
Does no one actually inspect a gun until after they buy it?

Come on, buying a gun with obvious cosmetic or functional problems and then complaining about it is silly. If you look the gun over in the store, you can save yourself a lot of grief.
I can't argue with that, lesson learned.

OP, how's it shoot?
 
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Does no one actually inspect a gun until after they buy it?

Come on, buying a gun with obvious cosmetic or functional problems and then complaining about it is silly. If you look the gun over in the store, you can save yourself a lot of grief
I inspected my new Kimber 4 times before I bought it. First 3 times in he wouldn't let me tear it down or dry fire it. When he finally did, I bought it. To me this is CLEARLY evidence that the shop owner didn't inspect the weapon himself and is also very well aware of what can be found when it is disassembled.

& oh: I would not be pleased with your defects. One defect is something that can be lived with, multiple is pushing steel.
 
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A recoil plug that far offcenter does not fill me with a lot of confidence. Regards of the manufacturer's name stamped on the side of the pistol.

If you paid full price for a new pistol, you should get better.

I would just try to get a refund. Do not decide to live with a defect, such as the factory ringed Colt barrel below, because the defect won't go away, and neither will the feeling that you did not get good value for your money.

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I had some similar issues that I posted extensively about on the 1911forum sight....


I posted some photos and some accurate measurements (the left side of the pic should read .047" and not .47")...

Like the OP, I purchased on line.... both because no one local stocked what I wanted and because the guys prices (on everything he sold) were the lowest to be found anywhere. I had a heads up about the off center issue and asked him to post add'l pics of the muzzle. I posted the pics here for review, and though most said it looked good, it looked as if it might be just a touch off center. I rolled the dice and bought it.

Mine looks just about like yours does.... and on mine the difference in wall thickness is ~.027", which would imply that the hole is off center by ~.014".

Being 'wanna be' machinist myself, and having had to design and tolerance a few machined parts as part of my work, it helps to appreciate that this offset, though be it larger than what I would want and expect, is not really a gross discrepancy.

Indeed, without a way to reference the bore axis of the barrel to the recoil spring cut, it's difficult to ascertain whether the recoil spring hole is off, or whether the grinding and and finishing operations took more material off one side than the other.

I think the discrepancy is actually a combination of both.

I corresponded with two different guys who had similar problems via. p.m. One had a much larger discrepancy than I, sent it back to Colt and received his pistol back 4 weeks later with a new slide fitted to it. The other guy said his looked just like mine and when he sent it back to Colt they returned it to him saying it was within their tolerance.

I called Colt and the customer service gal was great. Unfortunately, their policy (which though I understand, I don't like) is that they must receive the gun in hand to make any evaluation. They would not assess it based on my photos and measurements. So they sent me a call tag to ship it into them free of charge.

But the more I investigated and read up on people returning guns for service (not just Colts either) I came to realize that letting the gun out of your control is not without risk. Some people received their guns back with scratches, or worse yet, new problems.

Also, I was told that if Colt repairs a problem, the round trip shipping is on them. But if they determine that there is no problem, you'll have to pick up the bill. Yet another element of risk added to the prospect of returning the gun for service.

Anther guy challenged me that had I not read up on this issue on the gun boards, I may well have never noticed it at all and been a happy camper for years to come. I can't say for sure, but I he may be right.

So I decided to test the gun myself and found it to be 100% reliable in every way, as well as very accurate and with a great trigger. This evaluation added a lot of much needed info. to my decision. The gun was exceeding all of my performance expectations, and I concluded that the cosmetic flaw was minor. Let's say I"m satisfied with my decision. I'm not 100% happy about it, but I decided that the risk of sending it back is greater than the possible benefit of getting a prettier slide. And in hindsight, if I had handled this Colt at a gun store and the owner said "I'll knock $75 off because of the recoil spring hole issue" I suspect I would have plopped my money down.

Your situation is different than mine, however, in that you have an add'l problem with your safety that is definitely not cosmetic in nature. Have you checked to see if the spring detent is hung up on a burr or something?

Colt will certainly (imo) pay for the round trip to make your safety problem right. And they may fit a knew slide for you as well. So I think you're best bet is to send it back to Colt.
 
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Wam, Read your duplicate post on the 1911 site but will answer it here.
If it were my gun, I'd return it even if I had to pay the freight. From your photo that recoil spring plug appears to be far enough off center that the bushing is cocked a bit. That can't be "in spec." And the safety does stick up way too high. Send it back. FWIW, it's usually better to buy from a stocking dealer, even if the price is higher, because you can inspect the gun before you fork over your cash and because the dealer can take care of problems for you after the fact. This is true of anything, not only guns. Won't the FFL or dealer that sold you the gun through Gunsamerica help you out?
 
No interest in NEW Colt products? Why? Because a few of 1000's upon 1000's of guns made have a defect that the company will fix? Come on!

Folks spending $100-200 less on a SA or Kimber will be spending that $$$ later on replacing the MIM parts that the later two manufacturers fill their guns with. Colt is THE 1911. Period.

FYI: please don't buy a Colt... then there's more for me! *Yes, I'm kind of serious! LOL
 
Folks spending $100-200 less on a SA or Kimber will be spending that $$$ later on replacing the MIM parts that the later two manufacturers fill their guns with. Colt is THE 1911. Period.
I have 10k through one kimber and another approaching that mark, with no MIM breakage, and neither one of them have cock-eyed recoil springs.
 
What Zach S. said . . . .

I have owned several Colts, still own -1-. My Kimber Classic Custom is better machined, better fitted, shoots better, and more accurately than any Colt I have ever owned, including a Gold Cup.

After 13+ years and thousands of rounds, my Kimber has all the original MIM stuff and runs like a clock.

I'm not knocking Colt at all, I just get weary of people Kimber bashing, and I know they've had some QA/QC issues, but who ain't?
 
heavy-duty safe with inch-thick steel sides bolted into a concrete pad built for the safe in a room adjacent to the garage on ground level.

From my experience, I would but a NEW Taurus over a NEW Colt ANY day...

That said, I would buy and OLD colt before a NEW Taurus any day and wouldnt buy an OLD Taurus at all.

I am not brand bashing here... Colt has produced some great guns... in past years, their 1911s, revolvers, and AR's were awesome, but in recent years, they have really hit bottom. It is not the occasional lemon that is slipping through the cracks, it is the occasional quality piece instead.
 
another off center recoil plug from colt? man, they need to get their act together. this is why i like springfield armory....


colt's customer serv is hit or miss (usually miss). i would ask for manager's phone number or email & request they pay for shipping & replace the slide.

colt needs to learn to re-calibrate their CNC machinery in a timely fashion, instead of doing it after a bunch of out of spec guns have been made. bunch of slackers. definitely not the same company they used to be....
 
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