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New Colt King Cobra

Discussion in 'Handguns: Revolvers' started by sabbfan, Jan 9, 2019.

  1. Eddietruett

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    I love 3" K frames as much as anyone alive but they would have to prove to me that the quality is way higher than the new Cobra for me to buy one new. I'm sure that when they first hit the market, people will be paying way more than MSRP for them and all of a sudden production will catch up and prices will fall way down. At least that is what happened to the Cobra. I'm not saying the Cobra was a bad gun by any means, it just wasn't something special in my opinion. I think my expectations were a little high. I was looking for something in the Old Python, Trooper or Detective Special quality and in todays market you could never compete building one like that. It would probably have to retail for twice as much.
     
  2. Drail

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    Almost all of the gun media I've seen keeps saying Colt is "bringing back" the King Cobra. Not even close. Even if they actually wanted to tool up to produce their old revolvers I doubt they could ever find enough skilled smiths to build one and if they could the gun would retail for 3 grand. I keep hearing people say "Yeah but with CAD/CAM they should be able to produce a Python for a decent price." No CAD/CAM technology will ever produce the equivalent of a Python. The Python was all about perfectly fitting oversized parts to work together. Colt is just doing what Colt has always done - SELL the name........ The only thing that has kept Colt alive for many years now is their name and their dancing pony and military contracts. It's the old Harley Davidson model of marketing. But it works if your customers love your name more than what you actually produce.
     
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  3. DPris

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    They are bringing back ONLY the name here, in an apparent crossover intended to sell on its own merits (configuration) to the younger crowd who has no idea what the King Cobra was, and draw in some of the older crowd who does remember the name, while selling a few here & there to dedicated older fans who'll buy anything just because it says Colt on it.

    Even if it's only assembled by Colt. :)
    Denis
     
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    i just despair at the confusion that will ensue due to reuse of the names.
    :uhoh:
     
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  5. golden

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    I am not at all surprised by this NEW KING COBRA. They had 90% of what they needed to produce already in production. KING COBRA is a great brand name and it differentiates the KING COBRA from the "lesser" COBRA, which is an expensive, heavy .38 Special. I had a 3 inch COLT SF-VI and sold it because it did not fit my needs. It was too big and heavy for pocket carry and I prefer a 4 inch barrel for holster carry. It was a much better gun to shoot +P ammo than a S&W J-frame or even my COLT Viper.
    By the way, VIPER was already taken by a very nice alloy framed 4 inch .38 Special. Great to carry, but kicks hard with + P ammo.

    RUGER did the same thing with the SP101. They brought it out in .38 Special and later on in .357 magnum. A 3 inch .357 magnum may sell well and in this market, RUGER is really the only competitor and it is a 5 shot. I don't count CHARTER ARMS as I rarely see their .357 magnums in gun stores and they probably cannot compete on the quality, finish area.
    It is certainly a step up over a 2 inch .38 Special in stopping power. I would prefer a 4 inch, but many disagree. This is really a play for a larger part of the concealed carry market and if it holds up, it is not a bad attempt.

    I would also ask, would this gun sell well to woman and small framed males who would like a powerful, compact revolver? One of the selling points of the original COBRA was that it was smaller than the S&W K-frame and thus easier to hold and shoot for smaller statured shooters. My wife once worked for the U.S. MARSHALLS and she had to qualify. She could not shoot a K-frame, but the J-frame and COLT Police Positive were fine for her.

    The PYTHON will probably never make a comeback, except as a limited production, very high priced product like the Single Action Army which the COLT website is pricing at $1799.00. COLT would probably make all the PYTHONS you wanted, if you would be willing to pay $2000.00 a gun!
    It was built on the old style of action, that was labor intensive to assemble and thus expensive. The original KING COBRA was meant to be a possible PYTHON replacement and a straight on competitor with the S&W 686 for the police market. That market no longer exists. The only other buyers would be collectors, revolver competition shooters and handgun hunters and they all seem to be going for larger calibers.

    I would buy a "real" KING COBRA" if it was priced competitively with a S&W L-frame or RUGER GP-100 and was nicely made, but then RUGER will probably be cheaper and very strong, well made and I can get a really nice trigger with the CHAMPION MATCH. I could also buy a used S&W 586 and have it worked on for a reasonable fee. So the question is could COLT compete with those well oiled machines? Maybe, probably not.
    So they are looking for markets without competition or at least minimum competition where they have something to offer without competition like a 6 shot .357 magnum, which makes sense.

    Just my opinion,

    Jim
     
  6. cheygriz

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    I just can't get excited over a .357 with a barrel shorter than 6 inch, and without adjustable sights!:(
     
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  7. DPris

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    Again, as ad nauseum: If Colt can't sell enough new Pythons to previous quality levels for $3000 per to repay R&D start-up, how on earth do you think they could possibly sell the gun as a VERY high-dollar LIMITED (as in low volume) production offering?
    Not do-able.
    Not sustainable.

    The economics make it clearly impossible.

    That $3000 figure is an estimate from a Colt exec, and no- CNC can't make it work any lower.
    A gun like that would require either high volume to be profitable, or VERY high pricing.

    There's simply not enough demand for the Python to make that happen in either direction.
    Denis
     
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  8. sgt127

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    Golden,

    The Kimber K6 is available as 3” 6 shot.

    I’ve strongly considered on.
     
  9. jerryd

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    It looks like a charter arms revolver!
     
  10. golden

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    I think the KIMBER may be a fine gun, but it is still too light for me to want to shoot it. Bring it out a 4 inch with a NON FULLY LUGGED BARREL and it would be more interesting, but I still wonder if it can stand up to the sort of abuse a straight diet of .357 magnum will cause. That defeated the K-frame S&W model 19 and 66 revolvers. But technology marches on. Oh and I just do not think anyone will mistake the K.C. for a CHARTER ARMS!

    Jim
     
  11. Mauser lover

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    Actually... yeah! Take a look at that trigger guard, and the blocky top strap on the Charter larger frame revolvers, Bulldog, Pitbull, etc.

    I don't think it would be mistaken for a Charter Arms, but it does some have some quirks that remind me of it!
     
  12. Kaybee

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    Man, am I the only one that thinks that looks classically beautiful! Wow. It just needs some nice grips is all.

    Two gorgeous 3" .357 magnums released this year. Very exciting to me. I wish I had an extra 900 bucks laying around, but if I did I would have a VERY hard time choosing between the modern good looks of the Kimber K6 DASA in 3" and the classic look of new King Cobra. They booth seem high quality and about the same weight and 6 shot .357 3" with a hammer.

    I might have to sell a few things off to get one if I can decide which.
     
  13. Old Dog

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    Thread's about the "new" King Cobra and folks start talking about Pythons. This new revolver looks nice.

    Based on my experience with the 2017 Cobra (it's been excellent), I'd definitely buy one of these new King Cobras. I don't hold a grudge like many here against the Colt company, and I can afford and like to try new guns. But then, I don't overthink my gun purchases.

    Colt doesn't need to "prove anything" to me.
     
  14. Dr.Rob

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    Still should have a vent rib with that name
     
  15. bannockburn

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    I'm mildly interested but not all that much to run out and get one. Would prefer to see something with a 4" (or even a 5"), barrel and with an adjustable rear sight. Also how about something with a slightly larger frame for .45 Colt and .44 Special while they're at it.
     
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    Nothing like the original, that's for sure. I don't go out of my way to buy any particular guns at this point, but if I was looking for a revolver I might take a look at the new King Cobra. I doubt that's going to be happening anytime soon though. DSCF0667.JPG
     
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    I had both in my hand but bought a S&W instead still kicking myself in the azz on that
     
  18. 460Shooter

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    Honestly I just don't need another 357. When they come out with a new 44 magnum I may go for it.

    I seriously hope they don't call it an Anaconda, in order to avoid the bitching about a name.
     
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    Yawn, even if they did come back with the King Cobra just like it used to be, I ain't getting in line. Wake me up when they come out with a blued steel, large frame big bore. 1917, New Service, Shooting Master, Anaconda, whatever.

    The Python ain't coming back and it wasn't 'that' great to begin with.
     
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  20. MrBorland

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    A big reason why we don’t have many options nowadays when it comes to high-quality revolvers.
     
  21. gulogulo1970

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    Is this a different frame size from the new Cobra they recently released or just a beefed up new Cobra frame?
     
  22. stonebuster

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    According to Colts website the 3" King Cobra is 28 oz(only 3 oz more than 2.25" SP 101 .357)
     
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    Judging by the proportions, it looks the same.
     
  24. JONWILL

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    Why don’t they just make the King Cobra like it was, or at least close. Should just call it the Magnum Carry II.

    3 things on the new Colt Revolvers that drives me crazy
    1). Got rid of the “kidney” shaped area below the frame
    2) Trigger guard is oddly shaped

    3). The big one. They charge a decent amount for the gun but can’t get the MIM injection hole off the side of the trigger. That looks cheesy to me
     
  25. SwampWolf

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    "Whatever" for me would be an Officers Model Match, .22rf and/or .38 Special. I won't need an alarm clock to rouse me from a coma if that dream ever becomes a reality. Pinch me to be sure. :what:
     
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