CoalCrackerAl
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Yeah i remember when the stores has cards only at the registers.
I’ve yet to figure out *who* is making the decisions.. if the CC companies are simply adding a code and therefore creating a new list of purchases, do THEY analyze and report? Or do they turn it over to the Feds? I think the latter is most likely. Yet we’ve yet to see how this works. So the Feds will be making yet another list …
How many of those are listed on your bank or credit card statement? I just checked my bank statement for debit purchases (I don't do credit cards). Says where, when, how much, etc...but no itemized list or breakdown of even how many things were on that purchase. Merchant codes identify the business type, but not what items. That's the rub.Look at Wally receipt, EVERY item listed.
Toilet paper, aspirin, spray paint, car battery and BUCK knife.
Yeah my bank card just has the amount a merchant.
Los Federales already have lists. CC companies aren't going to analyze didly. I'm not attacking you here. Your questions are succinct and to the point.
Some social injustice warrior will request sales data under some pretext from the CC company. The dollar volume will be "leaked" for the world to see. The CC company will then have to repent thier evil ways of doing business with firearms companies and as a sign they are serious, start declining those transactions.
Ha!
Look at a Goodyear tire. There is a bar code embedded in the tire. Goodyear can enter that bar code, tell you what plant it was build in, at what time, on which machine and by what builder.
It isn't difficult and a power hungry tyrant would have no problem at all.
I will just be "firearms"-related as a single broad catch-all category... (guns ammunition, powder, bullets primers, brass, etc)credit card companies decide they want transactions done item by item
Right, which circles back to my first post (#35 in this thread).will just be "firearms"-related as a single broad catch-all category
The computer does all the coding.
Whether it is Academy, Atwood, Wally or Lowes and even smaller shops; when the bar code is scanned the register records the sale to the appropriate dept.
A bit of programming and differentiating between a rifle and fishing rod would occur.
Had your card been flagged as having too many guns or a suspected person and a decline is sent.
Our shop, similar to Cracker Barrel, the register differentiated between food, gifts and consignment items; separated the sales tax and gave daily totals for each.
It really isn't difficult.
Not the credit companies, per se.the CC companies are basically limiting how they'll allow people to spend borrowed money
Well, Vegas maybe.Not the credit companies, per se.
VISA, MasterCard, etc are just middlemen.clearing houses for individual banks.
The individual banks (Chase, Citi, BofA, Wells Fargo, U.S. Bancorp, Tuist(BB&T), however, can/will be pressured to control use of the transaction.
What I find fascinating is the blather about "...being able to forestall even one mass shooting...."
Someone please tell me if any mass shooting of late went through a flagable credit card sale.
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Especially considering that over 90% of guns used for criminal activities are either stolen or acquired from other criminals, i.e. NOT from gun stores.Certainly not from any rational perspective.
A store card that is not dual-branded with Visa / MC etc is not included AFAIK.I wonder if the Visa debt cards are included. And the Cabela's card is through Capital one.
The point-of-sale system keeps all that data, which for the business owner is very useful in analyzing how which products are moving etc. I suppose by now all the canned sytems even do "shopping cart" analysis (what items are typically bought at the same time, for example customers who buy item x frequently buy item y at the same time... so the store might decide to put x and y near each other in the store layout) out of the box but back in the day I once wrote an algorithm for that... There is an apocryphal story about "shopping cart" analysis of some store that was open 24-7 where it was observed that diapers and beer were frequently bought together at night... supposedly that was the dads making shopping runs LOL.Let's assume this isn't tin-foil-hat thinking. Tell us HOW those dots get connected between a store code and a firearm bought at the store? Where's the missing link between your tire and your store?
That's not the way a merchant category code works. If you buy beer at the grocery store, it's just coded as grocery store.It appears, to me at least, that there are some misconceptions here. As I understand it, gun purchases will be flagged as a such with a code on the transaction. If so, it doesn't really matter where you shop. The card-issuing bank will have record of the purchase (which can then be given to .gov) and the ability to decline the transaction.
They already gave up the idea of FedCoins, I forget why now, but it's off the table.For those of you who think that going back tot cash is the escape from this, think again. Cash is dead, or at least on life support. The Fed is talking about rolling out a digital currency as soon as next summer. Cash will remain for a few, perhaps many, years, but it is essentially dead. Digital money gives .gov near absolute control over the currency.
Regarding firearm purchases in a FedCoin (digital currency), you might, for a while, be able to trade in precious metals outside of that system, but if they figure out how to either a.) devalue gold and/or b.) make it impossible to convert into currency, it's utility will become extremely limited.
What I find fascinating is the blather about "...being able to forestall even one mass shooting...."
Someone please tell me if any mass shooting of late went through a flagable credit card sale.
An excellent question.....Is there any rumblings that debit purchases would be treated the same way? Will the same companies that issue debit cards require my purchases using my funds be tracked too?
While I've bought a couple of guns with credit or debit cards (usually debit), ammo is a different story. There's no way for me to buy ammo locally and still get close to the bargains I can find buying ammo in bulk online, even if I have to pay for shipping. And the last time I bought .22LR, I bought 5K rounds. I only paid ~$0.05/rd, which comes to about $250. Would that be enough to have if flagged as a "suspicious" purchase? (I don't think we know yet.) And what if I bought $250 worth of .223 at one place, $250 of .223 at another (maybe because I had a $250 gift card somewhere), etc. Will they be flagging individual purchases, or aggregating them within certain time periods? (Again, I don't think we know yet.)Buy a gun and a gun safe and a dozen boxes of ammo in a single transaction, probably not. Drop several thousand at once, maybe...depending upon who and how they're report that to.
An excellent question.
...... And what if I bought $250 worth of .223 at one place, $250 of .223 at another (maybe because I had a $250 gift card somewhere), etc. Will they be flagging individual purchases, or aggregating them within certain time periods? (Again, I don't think we know yet.)
Just some observations & questions.