new ejector reshape or not

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I would like to ask you for help. I am gong to replace standard ejector on my Kimber Custom II. I bought Ed Brown extended ejector. There is no problem to replace it. But my question deals with reshaping of the ejectorpart which contacts brass. I have seen this part with different shape from part you can buy. Question is shall I reshape this part or shell I live it in original shape?
Thank you for your opinion.
yoky
 
To File...or not to File

Howdy Yoky,

Try extracting and ejecting live factory hardball first. If it ejects okay, it's passed the first test. Then go shoot the gun. If the brass kicks out like you want it to...you're good to go.

If, however...hardball hangs up with the bullet nose contacting the front of the port...the ejector needs to be a little shorter. If the ejection pattern is good, maintain the original shape on the front, and just remove a little at a time until it ejects ball.

If the brass doesn't eject like you want it to...it's time to start lookin' at changin' the nose to give it a different direction.

Luck!
 
1911Tuner said:
Howdy Yoky,

Try extracting and ejecting live factory hardball first. If it ejects okay, it's passed the first test. Then go shoot the gun. If the brass kicks out like you want it to...you're good to go.

If, however...hardball hangs up with the bullet nose contacting the front of the port...the ejector needs to be a little shorter. If the ejection pattern is good, maintain the original shape on the front, and just remove a little at a time until it ejects ball.

If the brass doesn't eject like you want it to...it's time to start lookin' at changin' the nose to give it a different direction.

Luck!

Howdy Tuner
Thank you very much. As usually your help is highly appreciated. This is not first time you have helped me.. I will do this exactly like you proposed. I thing it is logical procedure.
Thanks a lot and best regards
Yoky.
 
Why ask Why?

Dave asked:

I wonder why you are replacing it?
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Good question...Are you having ejection problems?

One thing to keep in mind is that changing one thing changes other things by default. An extended ejector starts the process earlier...but it may kick the brass right into the path of the recoiling slide. I don't normally recommend extended ejectors on 5-inch guns unless you're using a recoil system that reduces slide travel...as with a buffer. Pistols with chopped slides...Commander-length and shorter...need an extended ejector. 5-inch guns with standard recoil systems usually don't unless you've tuned the gun for low-velocity target ammo...185-200
grain bullets at 650 fps or so.
 
Hello
Mr. Dave Sample and Mr. Tuner
First thank you very much for explanation and help.

I try to explain my whole 1911 gun story. Time ago I had to rebuild my Kimber Custom II totally and for this I have changed all internal parts C&S, Thumb safety-Ed Brown, grip safety (Ed Brown) bushing-Ed, Brown, barrel link, Wilson BP slide stop, Wilson BP extractor, firing pin stop and EGW oversized. Trigger Videky. Ed Brown rebuilds kit. Plasic MSH repalced with MSH with magwell SA., springs are Wollf and ISMI. Now original parts are plunger tube, barrel slide and frame. Now I have got spare parts and I can use them for my next project. I didn’t want to change ejector. Gun worked and works without problem. After every change was done I have tested gun for reliability and very carefully tested all safety systems. When I inspected the gun last time I have found out that ejector is broken little. In front part of the tip I have seen some crack or something like it in the lower part of the tip. For this I don’t want to wait until something has broken completely. I have changed it with no problem and gun works OK. If it would be a problem with ejecting I can shorten the tip and or reshape it. For practicing and carry I am using mostly 230 gr. SaB. Last time I am using 200 gr, Fiocchi - round nose. JHP or similar types of ammo are banned in my country. Another thing is I am using Wilson buffer in recoil system.

Best regards
yoky
 
Thanks Yorky! I agree with Tuner about the stock ejector in 5" guns working fine. I have not used stock ejectors in 5" guns for 20 years and all of our PATRIOTS are fitted with extended Ejectors supplied by Caspian Arms. Tuner is from the old school and that is fine, but we have been using extended ejectors because they get the empty case out faster with less hang ups. We build guns to eject empty cases, not loaded rounds. We also like the extended ejectors with the new feed lip treatment of Modern Magazines which are very compatable and probably the reason we do not have problems with our guns being reliable. True, it takes a little tiny bit of skill to build 1911's this way, but I can assure you that these 1911's will handle any kind of ammo with ease. I also like Shok-buffs and recoil spring guides in 5" guns regardless of what they are used for and that is a huge can of worms with the Old Folks so we do not wish to discuss that issue here. Colt has addressed this issue by making a cut on the front of the ejection port to ease the ejection of loaded rounds, but I have never seen the need for this. We also like roll-over notches on the rear of the port to expidite trouble free ejection and make it easier to re-load the empty cases.

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This gun has never had one malfunction since it was built in about 1997. It will eat anything that we feed it without a hicup.It is at about 20,000 rounds as near as we can tell and has been shot by dozens of different people. That is why we call it a Demo Gun.
 
Mr Sample
I am studying 1911 gun system less then 2 years (yea I know I am beginner) and to rebuild my gun it took 1 year I went with step by step procedure and my first knowledge cam from your and Taady Jacobson¨s knowledge. If I remember on Glocktalk forum it was year or two ago thread named “Coolbreeze†since that time I had asked Mr. Jacobson for help and he helped me with my first steps to improve 1911 gun. I know and understand that you need good and solid knowledge and you have to be skilled. I have understand that some improves were discovered and applied during long time practice. I have seen the picture you have posted here. If I am right I have seen your way of jewelling on the barrel and. trigger is a system used or developed by Action by T . It is system with .010“ball diameter at top and bottom of trigger shoe. The similar like Castillo’s Customs company produces. Next allow me several questions. First is I have read some information about ceramic coat application on slide or frame rails I thing Mr. Jacobson has presented this article. Second question what is basic difference between short and long external extractor. I have heard and seen to much different opinions for me internal works fine and I know haw to tune up. My opinion is if something wrong with internal extractor you have more possibilities to adjust it. On the other site external extractor give us less possibility to tune up especially in field conditions. May be my opinion is wrong however can you little bit open my eye? Can you post a picture of whole gun? I am interesting in.
Thank you
Yoky
 
Ok Yorky. Teddy does not jewel barrel hoods with a jig unless he just started doing it. I like it because of the Bling Factor. (BF). Teddy works in Stainless Steel which I rarely use and the reason he does that is because of the grief re -finishers cause pistolsmiths. He can complete his SS 1911's without a bead blaster or a finisher so that is what he does, to the best of my knowledge. Teddy does things that no one else does and for reasons that are known only to him. The ceramic coatings are done with an air brush and I believe that it is a way to prevent the SS from galling. He does very interesting things. He designed the trigger that Carlos does and gave it away. He has also designed a much better trigger that will be featured someday in a magazine. Be advised that I am on Teddy's Black List and he hates me now.
I am not a fan of the external extractor at all. I have been using guns with them on the slide for 50 years and see no reason to fault them, they are fine until they get dirty, and then the fun begins. Many manufacturers use them in an attempt to make something old look like something new. They are also hard to come by, from what I have heard, and they can break like any other part. They have a pin holding them in with a tiny coil spring doing the tension and to me, that is it. I would never attempt to adjust one. I have never had any problem with the original JMB design and like the interior extractor in all the calibers I have built 1911's in. In 38 Super Race Guns, the ejector and extractor has to be tuned just right to get the brass out of the port and past the scope mount without hitting anything. It takes some tweaking, but can be done with a little spare time. A proper part will go for a very long time without adjustment and I find them fairly forgiving as to tension. They do not have to be perfect, all they have to do is kick that case out of there. I call the external extractors another wonderful soultion to a non existant problem. I do not think it makes much difference either way and some of the factories use it as a sales tool because they know what suckers we all are. I have been doing a chamber check notch on my barrel hoods for over 20 years and now Kimber calls it a "Loaded Chamber Indicator" and has a patent pending on it. They also build my Short Sword and call it a Pro-Carry, but Colt and I were there long befopre anyone had ever heard the name Kimber. Colt was first, by the way. Oh well. Hang around, Yorky, and have some fun with us.
 
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YeeeeeeHaaaaaa!! The pups are learnin' fast. Just blew in and checked a few,
and had a few minutes to spare...

Dave said:

>> We build guns to eject empty cases, not loaded rounds.<<

Uh...Not wantin' to pick on ya , Cap'n...but if ya have a dud or a misfire when you're UTYAIA, ya better hope it'll eject a live round nice and smooth...and quick. :eek:

Just my 2% of a buck though... ;)

Woof!
 
An excellent point, Tuner. But since I load my own ammo, we do not seem to have those kind of problems. Hey! Whatta deal! I build my own 1911's, cast my own bullets, lube them with hot Rooster Red Zambini while I size them, and then load them up with Winchester 452 AA on my Dillon 550B, and shoot 'em! I ask you. Does it get any better than this?
 
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