New M1A Carbine Conversion - Troy Industries - CA Legal!

[Sven]

http://www.battlerifles.com/viewtopic.php?t=14532

Troy Industries presents our new CALIfornia legal comMANDO Carbine, the Calimando(TM). The Calimando(TM) utilizes our type II stock. This stock enables Troy Industries to build multiple configurations of conversions including a California legal version with no pistol grip.

The Rock SOPMOD Calimando(TM) Carbine is 35" long with a 16" barrel and fixed tactical stock. We have retained the accessory rails, metal chassis, and short gas system (all of the special features of the ROCK SOPMOD Cammando Carbine(TM) except the sliding stock assembly). The production model is the same as our current SOPMOD from the trigger forward.

We have handled this carbine can say that it is a very handy little platform. Those that prefer a standard style stock will feel very comfortable with the Calimando.

Production is scheduled for early September. The price should be comparable to our current offering.

The term Calimando(TM) and the weapon it represents are the intellectual property of Troy Industries.

 

[Gewehr98]

Looks kinda "composite"

Composite, as in, "All your Photoshop are belong to us". A birdcage flash suppressor on a California-legal M1A?

I noticed on the website that they show lots of pictures of the telescoping stock, but of course, civilians would get one that's permanently pinned in the extended position.

If you send them a lugged receiver, they mill off the lugs!

I'm glad they have Naval Surface Warfare Center contracts, because it will take some time before the ATF considers that CaliMANDO modded M1A good to go for civilian sales. Their SOPMOD model sure wouldn't pass:

 

[TroyInd]

Sven,

Thanks for posting the pic and the description.

Gewehr98,

A few things to clear up. No, the birdcage flash suppressor won't go on a Cali model or a post-ban conversion. A California legal compensator will be used. Our announcement states production is scheduled for September. The picture was a sneek peak that we promised to the good folks at Battlerifles.com.

The picture that you posted is a conversion performed on pre-ban rifles. No different than all of the pre-ban AR's that did not have collapsable stock when manufactured, but did have enough features to be considered pre ban and therefore can have a collapsable stock. Only a post-ban rifle would be pinned, as we described.

Calimando(TM): no pistol grip, Cali-legal compensator. It's a conversion, not a new manufacture. Both Cali and post-ban legal

Commando Carbine: Pre-ban rifle required. It's a conversion, not a new manufacture.

Post-ban Commando: The Type II offers several posibilities, or pin the stock. It's a conversion, not a new manufacture.

We hope this clears things up a bit.

Best Regards,

Troy Industries

 

[Carnitas]

Can you still use the irons over that top mounting rail?

Where is the gas system. Is that little blip just in front of the fore stock the plug from a standard m1a gas system.

What kind of mods are done to tune the gas system. That location looks to be about 10 inches closer to the chamber than a standard m1a, probably 6 inches closer than the Scout/Bush. Much higher pressure gas there.

Do you have to be a midget to work a stock that short?

 

[Andrew Wyatt]

Do you have to be a midget to work a stock that short?

no. a regular guy wearing something besides just a t-shirt would have no problems with it.

i chopped off all my longarm stocks to that length when i started using vests with padded shoulder straps.



can i get it in an 18 or 22 inch barrel?

 

[BerettaNut92]

What's the LOP on that?

 

[TroyInd]

Andrew Wyatt,

You are correct. 18" is the longest we make. The sytem was designed for short barrels.

Carnitas,

The iron sights are retained as a back-up. They are viewed thru the channel in the top rail. The carbine is designed to use optics as the primary sighting system.

The gas sytem sits 5" to the rear and right of the barrel and oprod. The oprod's length is unchanged. The oprod has a patented modification that interfaces with the gas cylinder at the elbow of the oprod instead of the end. The gas port has to be tuned due to the closer location of the gas port. This allows us to run 12" barrels (ALL NFA RULES APPLY) if desired.

For CQB the stock is the same as the shorty fixed tactical buttstocks that are being put on the AR's.

Skunkabilly,

11.5", the relationship of the trigger to the grip of the stock is unchanged from a USGI stock. The recoil pad on our stock ends where the hinge cut-out of the buttplate begins on a USGI.

The buttstock is interchageable. We can install a standard LOP buttstock at the customer's request.

Best Regards,

Troy Industries

 

[Andrew Wyatt]

Is the stock compatable with a standard gas system, oprod and barrel?


I like having a standard length barrel and gas system so i don't have to worry about parts and excessive blast and flash.


how well does the rail hold zero?

 

[TroyInd]

Andrew Wyatt,

The stock is not compatible with a standard barreled action. For flash we recommend Black Hills ammo. The SOPMOD was originally designed for use with a suppressor so flash was not an issue. Our suppresor only adds 2.5" to the length.

Best Regards,

Troy Industries

 

[4v50 Gary]

Lazy me. By gawd it is the sibilian M-14. I have trouble in keeping the designations straight.

 

[El Rojo]

It is always nice to see a manufacturer take the time to post here on THR. Good PR!!!

That being said, that is the most hideous and ugly looking M1A/M14 I have ever seen. The idea is cool, but I couldn't bring myself to destroy my M1A like that. If I lived in a more freedom minded state, I would probably get a DSA 18" FAL instead especially since the mags are so much cheaper.

I do like the rail on top. I have found that is one of the detractors of the M1A and a scope is the lack of a good way to mount optics. Looks like you would still have a problem with proper head alignment though.

 

[TroyInd]

El Rojo,

Ugly? Not the first time that's been said! However, a sub-9 pound M-14 that is highly accurate, very short, with accessory rails at 3, 6, 9, & 12:00 postions, we think that's beautiful!

A buttstock with an adjustable cheek rest and adjustable LOP is in the works. We hope the viewers don't get hung-up on minor changeable details.

We appreciate the input.

Best Regards,

Troy Industries

 

[Andrew Wyatt]

I like it. what's the front sight situation on that?

 

[TroyInd]

Andrew Wyatt,

Thanks! The front sight is a post type that is part of the nose assembly of metal stock. It is witnessed down the middle of the top rail channel. It is mainly a back-up sight as the ability to mount modern optics is one of the main concepts behind the development of the original SOPMOD conversion.

Best Regards,

Troy Industries

 

[Sven]

I like this because it would work for close quarters (though penetration would be an issue) on out to 500 yards.

 

[Andrew Wyatt]

How much machinework would be required to modify the stock to work with a full length barrelled action?

 

[TroyInd]

Andrew Wyatt,

We do not sell the stock separately because it will
not fit. Our stock stops at the sling swivel on a
standard stock and ours is 2.5 inches wide at that
point to contain the gas system which sits beside the oprod. The front of our carbine is retained by the screwed in recoil lug which allows us to free float the barrel. There is no way to modify it to fit either.

Best Regards,

Troy Industries

 

[Sven]

Troy Industries:

Would appreciate any updates on this product. Are any getting out there into consumer hands?

Best Regards,

-s

 

[TroyInd]

Sven,

Thanks for the follow-up.

While the Calimando(TM) is a very handy carbine, interest was low overall; we have decided to put a hold on its production for now. We have redirected our energies to other projects which we believe will be of greater interest. For those interested in a short length of pull synthetic stock please contact [email protected] He will build you a customized stock on a GI synthetic.

Best Regards,

Troy Industries

 

[twoblink]

Gewehr98,

If you call it a "muzzle break" then it's PRK legal, if you call it a flash suppressor, then it's called "20 years in jail."..

all joking aside, how a flash suppressor effects the "evilness" of a gun is anybody's guess.. But you know what the say.. Feinstein knows best!
:banghead:

 

[Gewehr98]

Twoblink, I'd never call it a "muzzle break", anyway.

Maybe a "muzzle BRAKE", or even a compensator. Yeah, the semantics are there between muzzle brakes, compensators, flash hiders, flash suppressors, recoil checks, and so forth. But the BATF actually measures the amount of flash and sound suppression of commercial muzzle brakes submitted for their approval, and if they reduce those effects by more than a predetermined amount, the muzzle devices fail the evaluation. Nice to know bureaucracies went the extra mile to set those limits, ain't it?