New member looking for help re BTA90

[Bayrat]

Hello fellow patriots! I'm glad I found this site and hope to be an asset to it.

I purchased a 9mm Excam BTA90 in 1987 and stuck it in my gun safe and sort of forgot about it. I carry a Colt Agent and/or my M1911a but recently discovered that this little 9mm fits nicely for some occasions.

My dilemma is that the gun was supposed to have two clips when I purchased it but the dealer sort of "clipped" me for the other one. So I have one and am looking for another. The company is out of business from what I can find on the internet. Are there any other magazines that would fit this weapon?

Best Regards and thanks in advance for your help!

 

[Sunray]

An Excam BTA90 was made by Tanfoglio. AKA EAA Witness.
"...supposed to have two clips..." Magazines? Gunparts is sold out. Try here. http://www.gun-parts.com/magazines/
And here. http://www.ammoclip.com/E/eaa_witness_9mm_compact.htm

 

[Bayrat]

Sunray thank you and yes the pistol was boxed with one in the weapon and the other in a cutout in the box. The dealer removed the one that was in the weapon and placed it in the cutout in the box. It was a couple years later that I read an article about it and found this to be true. In fact I still have all the paperwork including the review where I learned of the missing item. A friend of mine had the same thing occur when purchasing from the same dealer. He went back to him and confronted him about it, and got nowhere. So I never went back. Some things you just need to walk away from and lick your wounds.

 

[The Bushmaster]

Not me...He would have been "licking" his wounds. A thief is a thief and should be delt with [legally of course], but delt with none the less.

 

[Bayrat]

I know what you are saying and today I would react differently but at the time I was young and very inexperienced with people screwing me. I was raised to be honest and did not know how to deal with it.

 

[dogtown tom]

So...........you bought the pistol KNOWING only one magazine was included in the deal, correct?
And a couple of years later you find out that they shipped from the factory with two mags?

The Bushmaster Not me...He would have been "licking" his wounds. A thief is a thief and should be delt with [legally of course], but delt with none the less.

Nothing was stolen. The dealer sold him a pistol with one magazine. That's what the OP paid for. I'll bet that dealer would have been delighted to include an additional magazine for more $$. If the dealer had replaced the magazines with cheap aftermarket junk mags AND tried to pass them off as new factory mags- then yes he would have been a thief. But that didn't happen.

Beretta once packaged the 92FS in a cheap cardboard box with three magazines and called it the "Police Special". One dealer here in Dallas marked out the "Three magazines included" text on the box cover and changed it to "Two magazines included"......supposedly to allow him to price it competitively. One guy on the Beretta forum got his nose out of joint well AFTER his purchase because he only got two mags and not the three it shipped with. Even though he got it at a discounted price.

The moral of the story? Know what you are buying before you hand over your $$$$.

 

[Bayrat]

You know dogtown, everyone learns something the hard way, I did in this particular case. But then I trusted people twenty five years ago more than I do today. I did not get a good discount on this item but was trying to support a local guy. Had I driven thirty miles south of here I would have done much better. But then I never purchased another gun from him either.

 

[The Bushmaster]

dogtown. If the manufacturer sent the weapon to the dealer with two (2) magazines and the dealer sold the weapon with only one or an after market (cheap) magazine. Then the dealer is a thief. And I doubt that he lowered the price of the weapon when he did so.

I DO agree with your last statement though.

 

[dogtown tom]

The Bushmaster: dogtown. If the manufacturer sent the weapon to the dealer with two (2) magazines and the dealer sold the weapon with only one or an after market (cheap) magazine. Then the dealer is a thief. And I doubt that he lowered the price of the weapon when he did so...

You are combining two completely different statements that I made. Be clear about what I actually wrote. IF the dealer swapped out original factory mags for cheap aftermarket mags AND tried to pass them off as originals he's committing fraud. I have no problem with anyone calling him a thief.

But, removing extra magazines is a far, far different situation. When the manufacturer sent that gun to the dealer IT IS NOW THE PROPERTY OF THE DEALER AND HE CAN DO ANY DANG THING HE WANTS with it. If he wants to sell it without box....he can. If he wants to sell it with one factory mag and a dozen aftermarket mags....he can. As long as he's not passing it off as "all original" or "all factory".

But go ahead, try filing charges on him. You'll get laughed out of the police station. While you may think it is a crime (theft), it doesn't even come close. MAYBE not even unethical as the buyer bought what was in front of him.

Using your logic:
If I buy a new Browning Hi Power and the deal included an extra set of grips and six extra factory mags..........I can only sell that HP with everything it came with? Horsehockey. As a dealer I come across those kind of deals fairly often and regularly split up the package and sell those items separately.....not everyone needs or wants extra grips or even all six magazines. By your logic I'm a thief.

It's funny, when Sig Sauer started shipping their handguns with only one mag a few years ago NO ONE called them a thief. They went so far as to blame "...the worldwide shortage of high capacity magazines..." even though I could buy as many mags as i wanted directly from Sig. No other manufacturer experienced that "worldwide shortage" and SIG did not discount the price of their products a penny, nor did they offer to ship the spare magazine at a later date. How many customers got bent out of shape? A few, but not a one called SIG a thief.