New Mexico Drops Numerous States From Handgunlaw.us

[Gary Slider]

New Mexico has dropped Arkansas, Colorado, Delaware, Kansas, Louisiana, Michigan, Ohio, Tennessee, Texas & West Virginia from the list of states they honored.

New Mexico will now only honor 5 states which are Missouri, Nebraska, North Carolina, North Dakota & Oklahoma.

Of the states they dropped.
Colorado, Delaware, Louisiana, Ohio and West Virginia will drop New Mexico for sure as these states require Signed Agreements or the other state must honor them before they will honor that state.

Arkansas and Texas will most likely drop New Mexico but I am not 100% positive on that but 99% sure they will from what both states have done in the past.

Kansas will continue to honor New Mexico as they list states they will honor based on a states law being similar to theirs without the other state honoring them.

Michigan & Tennessee honor all other states and will continue to honor New Mexico.

William Hubbard is the new man in charge of the NMPDS Concealed Carry Unit. He is the one making these decisions. From what I understand he is the one who is appointed by law to make the decisions. This major change by one person is most likely making huge waves in New Mexico. We will never learn just how big of waves but I believe there is a tsunami brewing.

Every state that boarders New Mexico except for Oklahoma which only has the Tip of its Panhandle touching New Mexico are now not welcome in New Mexico if they carry a firearm. All those citizens were welcome in the not to distant past. Also Colorado and most likely Texas will drop New Mexico and then citizens of New Mexico will not be welcome in those states if they want to carry their defensive firearm. That will cause a lot of calls, emails and letters to start flowing to politicians and an election is coming up. Those Politicians don’t want any waves right now that they don’t need. So it will be very interesting to see what happens in the coming weeks. I am hoping for the best. I also what to say I don’t know anymore about the Why’s of this any more than you do.

I am updating all the States pages at www.handgunlaw.us to reflect this change in who New Mexico Honors and who will honor them. It is a lot of work and hoping to get it all up late this evening. I have just returned from a weekend away. The Create a Map Application is the tough job. To make a state blue showing it honors another state is simple. To change it to show it doesn’t honor it any longer requires Steve to completely rebuild a new map for each state. That change will not happen for awhile and I will put that info on the Notice Page for the Create a Map Application.

FYI

NMDPS Concealed Carry Unit
6301 Indian School Rd NE Ste. 310
Albuquerque, NM 87110
(505) 841-8053

http://www.dps.nm.org/index.php/nm-concealed-carry/

 

[bluethunder1962]

I will stay out of that state.

 

[Tomcat47]

well....I didnt lose anything there and if I did they can keep it!....

traditionally this is out of left field for NM, but with politics in this day and age who knows? And I imagine there is some degree of politics behind there decision to dishonor the other states........

 

[bluethunder1962]

I know politics plays a lot in it but some of it I can see. In SC we have to take 8 full hrs half shooting half class. Right next door GA I was told you can get one on line. That is why SC won't honnor GA so of corse Ga won't honnor sc.

 

[Peter M. Eick]

As a Texan that visits NM a lot, that is too bad. I will have to rethink my vacation plans to NM until they rectify this problem. I try to vote with my money and support CHL friendly states if at all possible.

 

[Nico Testosteros]

One can still open carry in NM, right ?

 

[mgkdrgn]

I know politics plays a lot in it but some of it I can see. In SC we have to take 8 full hrs half shooting half class. Right next door GA I was told you can get one on line. That is why SC won't honnor GA so of corse Ga won't honnor sc.

Or so Jakie says ...

 

[janedoedad]

Originally Posted by bluethunder1962
I know politics plays a lot in it but some of it I can see. In SC we have to take 8 full hrs half shooting half class. Right next door GA I was told you can get one on line. That is why SC won't honnor GA so of corse Ga won't honnor sc.

No. You must apply in person at the Probate Court and submit fingerprint cards from the appropriate agency. License is mailed to you after approval. Depending on the county it can be 1 week to 6 months to get a GFL

 

[NMPOPS]

Unfortunately I'm from NM tho I now live in AZ. Yes you can still open carry in NM and you can conceal in your car or RV while in the state. Those of you who still live there, write you local state rep. I get my retirement check from NM so I will write to my old state rep as well. Don't know what's wrong there except that Albuquerque is very liberal and has a lot of influence on state politics.

Sent from my Ally

 

[JRH6856]

From the NMDPS webpage on reciprocity:

New Mexico statute 29-19-12E requires that in order for a state to be recognized by NM, their provisions have to be “at least as stringent or substantially similar” to New Mexico. NMDPS has generally found six things that make a state substantially different from New Mexico, and therefore would disqualify that state from being recognized:

• Permits issued locally rather than by the state;
• No fingerprint-based background check;
• Permits issued to persons under 21 years of age;
• Permits issued to resident aliens;
• No classroom (static) training required;
• No live-fire (dynamic) training required.

I know Texas fails on the resident alien issue. I wonder how many other states fail on that point. Apparently, NM shall issue only to US citizens and will only grant reciprocity to states that have the same restriction.

FWIW, NM is an open carry state.

 

[JellyJar]

Sounds like Mr Hubbard is just following the letter of the law. If so perhaps this will spur changes in NM's laws?

 

[calaverasslim]

Well, I need to goto PRK in the near future and was gonna go thru Lordsburg. However, I have always like Ok, Co, Nv in the summer. Guess I will visit them this summer on my way

 

[dogrunner]

Doesn't really affect me as I'm LEOSA qualified, that said, if I was not I'd sure give that disallowance thought relative to my Elk hunt this year! There's no shortage of other places to spend that money.

In truth tho, the folks that're ultimately hurt by such a foolish policy application are the people of New Mexico. The criteria used certainly appear to be subjective in nature and could be interpreted differently by a different official.

 

[Art Eatman]

The restriction against resident aliens is just so wrong! Those are folks who have jumped through all the legal hoops. Even BATFE respects their rights.

 

[razorback2003]

Tennessee gives handgun carry permits to resident aliens. I have a good feeling that is the issue NM has with TN. I always thought according to ATF and also a recent court ruling that resident aliens have firearms rights just like citizens.

 

[Jeff H]

I know Texas fails on the resident alien issue. I wonder how many other states fail on that point.

That is the only point that Ohio could be failing at as far as I can see. I know the border states are touchy on immigration issues but legal residents are hear legally and their rights should be protected.

 

[Striker]

Ohio also fails on permits issued locally (i.e. by each county's sheriff department) rather then centrally.

 

[crracer_712]

I know Texas fails on the resident alien issue. I wonder how many other states fail on that point.

That has to be why Kansas got the boot. It's the only one I see that I don't know about, all the other requirements are good to go here.

That's too bad too, I was wanting to make a motorcycle trip to Roswell this summer. Guess It'll be another trip to the mountains of Colorado now.

 

[Unistat]

Ohio also fails on permits issued locally (i.e. by each county's sheriff department) rather then centrally.

Same with Michigan and despite multiple attempts to have issuance moved to the state, it's never worked out.

 

[X-Rap]

NM is an example of a state that had to do everything for every body to get CCW. Prior to shall issue the only way to CC was to be somebody and have the Co. Sheriff deputize you. The whole state is/was kind of run on the good old boy network and was the most corrupt place I ever lived.
It is the western version of the stereotypical deep southern Democrat government and this play is just them getting things back into sync.

 

[JRH6856]

The restriction against resident aliens is just so wrong! Those are folks who have jumped through all the legal hoops. Even BATFE respects their rights.

Note this from the Texas CHL FAQ #15:

"Under federal law, aliens who have been admitted to the U.S. under a non-immigrant visa, usually are not qualified to purchase a handgun and therefore, do not qualify for a license. However, as long as you were not admitted under a non-immigrant visa and are a legal resident of Texas, you may qualify."​

 

[blarby]

Thanks again for doing everything in your power to stay on top of the volume of constantly changing laws that curtail our rights every day, Gary.

You truly are a beacon in the dark, and your service is very much appreciated.

 

[Neverwinter]

I know Texas fails on the resident alien issue. I wonder how many other states fail on that point. Apparently, NM shall issue only to US citizens and will only grant reciprocity to states that have the same restriction.

Conversely, the following states "succeed" in denying legal residents:
Missouri, Nebraska, North Carolina, North Dakota & Oklahoma.

 

[Johannes_Paulsen]

This is bad news. It wouldn't be as bad if you could actually get a non-resident permit from New Mexico. I mean, you could say that they were being hardline about it, but at least you had a legal recourse to get around it. This almost seems as though someone's being vindictive.

Only thing I ever cared to visit in New Mexico was the Trinity site. It can wait a bit longer.

 

[MedWheeler]

New Mexico statute 29-19-12E requires that in order for a state to be recognized by NM, their provisions have to be “at least as stringent or substantially similar” to New Mexico. NMDPS has generally found six things that make a state substantially different from New Mexico, and therefore would disqualify that state from being recognized:

1. Permits issued locally rather than by the state;
2. No fingerprint-based background check;
3. Permits issued to persons under 21 years of age;
4. Permits issued to resident aliens;
5. No classroom (static) training required;
6. No live-fire (dynamic) training required

Florida, dropped by New Mexico in March (and which then dropped NM in turn), fails on points 3 and 4.