New Orleans is getting angry...

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New Orleans should be abandoned

All buildings roads, etc.. removed so it is down to just the soil underneath and all levies removed. Give it back to nature. It's worthless anyhow.
 
Johnnybgood said:
All buildings roads, etc.. removed so it is down to just the soil underneath and all levies removed. Give it back to nature. It's worthless anyhow.


lmfao! You really know what your talking about!
 
Mizzle187 said:
lmfao! You really know what your talking about!
Hey Mizzle, good post.

Here is the view from a NOLA lover from MO, ynow... just lagniappe up the river.

You have a problem in two ways getting through to the non NOLA lovers.

One, they haven't been to your home, and are worried about their tax dollars going to corrupt politicians in your state.

Two, they are concerned with the engineering infrastructure of the rebuild, and if it is worth it.

Oh by the way your post before which said "True Louisiana was known for shady politics" made me LMAO. You love your city and state, I love NOLA too, but study Huey Long and you will see why you have a very loooong history of corruption. BTW one of my best friends lives in NOLA, a very successful businessman, and I will not relate what he has shared with me about "how things are done". Suffice it to say those of us who know politics are really concerned with opening up our pocketbooks to the likes of your incompetant Governor and (?) mayor.

Love your city, love your state, good luck.. you are probably going to need it.
 
Mongo the Mutterer said:
Sorry, but I reread my post, and laughed again about ole' Huey.

Huey Long made Richard Daley look like a round heeled ward boss.


Yeah I didnt want to even bring up Huey! lol! Thanks for the support!
 
Hey New Orleans, you might be able to rebuild, but you are going to have to write off a large part of the city. That is what we had to do up here after the "Flood of 97". Whole neighborhoods near the river were writen off, destroyed, and made into parks. We moved our dikes back and gave the river more room to move. It sucked and nobody won, but it had to be done. New Orleans is going to have to write off most homes because it is just not possible to save them in the long run. Sometimes you have to make hard choices.
What city are you talking about? It wouldn't be Grand Forks would it?
 
engineer151515 said:
I listen to an am radio channel out of New Orleans, and the mood is getting pretty sour. N.O. feels abandoned. Discussions on how the levies should be repaired or replaced are all over the map with ideas. Stand up to Cat 5 storms? Repair what they have? Rebuilding requirements?


One common thread of thought I hear a lot of is that Louisiana (New Orleans) doesn't get their "fair share" of the oil and gas energy they supply the country. "We supply 30% of the energy to the country - give us our money" seems to be mantra forming which will grow louder as the next hurricane season approaches.


Meanwhile - Mississippi is quietly cleaning up and rebuilding their casinos. They have definitely decided not to wait on the Feds.


Your thoughts?

That's a silly train of thought. What about states that supply a large percentage of the food people in New Orleans eat? Where is their money?

All states import and export products. It's called trade.
 
I am a NOLA Resident and I vote

The funny thing about this whole situation is watching the political correct one of you refusing to understand what is going on here. This is not like Buffalo where I grew up, or like Boston where I went to school, there are no Germans, Italians, Irish, Nigerians, Vietnamese. There is only Black and White. Period. While the definition to how this plays into the class structure and economic functions blurs grey at points, it is 30% white population supporting 70% black population. Why are ILLEGAL FRIGGING MEXICANS being lauded, when legal blacks are in Atl getting welfare checks. That is about your government too, I got 24 million people in this country on welfare, I dont need mexico to pick my lettuce

While past being the past, it is difficult breaking the mold as 100s of years of white mismanagement and corruption has led to the recent stir of black mismanagement and corruption. They are getting theirs. If it takes a few election cycles to get back to level, then so be it but it won't and the Feds are as to blame as everyone else.

Instead of a white legislator being able to stand his ground and say Jesse Jackson is a pig who should keep his opinions to himself, and vow NOT to give money to "Nagin" or Blanko until a workable plan is furnished, he would be crucified because he is a racist and po' ol peoples in Nawlin's just want to come home (to their publically supported homes). We can't even manage our schools and that F&$*%* A$$()&*$*(& president of ours is going to dole out $750 Billion, because he feels for the down trodden.

Did you know that they are delaying elections further so that blacks won't be "disenfranchised" again. People that are here now rebuilding in the swarms of Black Flies, the heat (until recently) and those B&W who came back early to get this place running again are the ones disenfranchised by allowing those who don't have a vested interest in the rebuilds success.

Do we need Cat5 Levees, sure they would be great, but they wont work forever. Using Netherland technology here is not applicable, their environment is geostable, ours is based on river courses, marsh renewal, channels, etc. What we need is a policy of self insurance, self assurance, and some hard work. You won't get that out of anyone here. Everyone is still mired in the if you bi&#$^ loudly enough you will get it. The city's primary income source is tourism, it would behoove the city to get back in shape and host a smashing Mardi Gras, get the money and do something with it, but in ATL, GA one of our refugees said Mardi Gras is a white thing and it should be cancelled. This is a state/ city that does not understand investing $10 may earn you $20 with patience.

The next time one of your Politicians says something off kilter about MY politicians and backs down and apologises, you should remove your support.

If you give us money with out accountibility, Nagins' Dallas home is going to be spiffy.

Sorry for the rant, lots of rage here toward my citizenry and not you guys. We are here with hat in hand, make us fish, learn how to manage a city.
 
First - Nagin made his money long before becoming mayor. He is a good man doing the best he can with a horrible situation. He was making 400,000 as an exec before he went into public service and was doing a great job of slowly making very positive changes to a problematic city prior to this.

Second - NOT rebulding NO will do more harm than good to the country. It is a huge port - thrid largest in the country, and Texas and the southern states depend on NO for more than they realize.

Third - It is a situation without precedent. For those of you that haven't BEEN TO THE CITY, BOTH BEFORE AND AFTER THE STORM, and understanding the part NO plays in receiving and distribution for national goods, are running your ouths to hear yourselves talk.

I *hope* that in 3 years the city has turned the corner and in 5-7 it is better than it once was.

For the record, I was born in NO, went to HS there, went to college at LSU, and worked in the city. I lost my job as a result of Katrina. I haven't received a dime of federal or state assistance. I have found other work and am planning on staying in the area and trying to do as much as I can on the private side.

Sincerely,

Paul
 
We will get along fine without NO. Rebuilding a city right there under sea level? Remove the fact NO is already there, remove that from your mind. If you went to an engineer to build in that location he would laugh at you. There is plenty of other areas to build. That one little spot isn't essential and the country will get along fine if it isn't rebuilt. Building a city where you know where it will just be destroyed is insanity. Understand it is peoples homes, but trying to rebuild that city in the same spot is dumb.
 
Lupinus said:
We will get along fine without NO. Rebuilding a city right there under sea level? Remove the fact NO is already there, remove that from your mind. If you went to an engineer to build in that location he would laugh at you. There is plenty of other areas to build. That one little spot isn't essential and the country will get along fine if it isn't rebuilt. Building a city where you know where it will just be destroyed is insanity. Understand it is peoples homes, but trying to rebuild that city in the same spot is dumb.


LMAO! Dont rebuild the city? LOL! Everyday the Gulf of Mexico takes over more and more land in Louisiana. So dont rebuild NO and then when the Gulf makes its ways to Baton Rouge(regardless of how long it takes) just abanded it also? No! With all the technology in this world Today it is a joke that no one can come up with "A" solution to stop or even help with the loss of the marshland. This was a problem long lone before Katrina and the people of this state have begged and begged for federal help and what have we got! Minimal help if that. You dont just write off a city like NO! Screw Mardi Gras(even though tourism is huge part of NO) even if N.O. was never known for tourism I would be saying this! Even if I wasnt a resident of LA. The N.O area plays a crucial part of this country.
 
Actually, by the NO is essential for trade argument, all we should do for economic efficiency is rebuild and defend the port and transshipment facilities and their infrastructure and let the workers (less and less actual manpower is needed now than in even the past decades) live inland on higher, safer more stable ground and commute to work.

Cheaper and better for everybody involved. :evil:

Just pointing out that the "city" of NO as it was is nowhere near necessary.
 
mattf #2 said:
What city are you talking about? It wouldn't be Grand Forks would it?

Yup, I was 13 at the time and deliverd newspapers during the winter of 96-97 and all but one of the 8 blizzards and that was because the delivery van got stuck. On April 19th it felt like a scene from a doomsday movie. The water started to some through the storm drains because the one way valves where jammed open and the dikes where failing. Just then the "air raid" sirens start going off, any doubt is now gone, it is time to haul *ss. The sirens don't stop, they just kept going. My family got everything we could out of the basement, loaded what we could carry into the pickup and the car. I had left my shoes at a friends house the day before and all I had to wear where water boots. (Better than snow boots I guess.) By this time, the water is to the top of the curb and is starting to creep toward the house. There is a risk that our small car won't make it through the water. My dad rips off the air intake duct from the car, giving the engine a few more inches of clearance before it would suck water and stall. He and my brother (12 at the time.) get into the pickup and I get into the car with my mom. Since the pickup has a higher engine and we are sure it will make it, my dad goes first and tells my mom to drive in the wake as close as she can. If the car stalls, get out and hop on the back bumper of the pickup.

We had to make it to South Washinton street, about two blocks away. It was originaly just a highway so it is raised several feet compared to the rest of the city. It has now become a dike that is preventing houses to the west of it from flooding above ground, though basements are still flooding and there is limited flooding through the storm sewers. We make it to Washington Street and go south to get out of town. Dispite over 50,000 from Grand Forks and tens of thousands of other people leaving, traffic moved rather quick. The large number of minor roads and gravel roads probably helped this.

We head south for awhile and then turn west to get to my uncle Ed's house. (He lives in the middle of the state. Before we left, my dad placed a quick call to my uncle saying the dikes where failing and we where heading his way. Soon after that, the telephone exchange downtown was flooded and went dead. We are taking some of the two lane highways as are many people. For several hours there are cars as far as the eye can see. Only when we got close to my uncles house did the number of cars start to taper off.

I lived at my Uncles for over a month, then went back to help clean up. While we lacked flood insurance, we did have sewer backup (We had pluged all the drains, but one of the plugs failed.) so we got some insurance money. Lived on Red Cross food for quite awhile. The stuff smells kind of nasty, but doen't taste that bad. We also got $1000 from the "Angel Fund" and that helped alot. We where lucky that only our basement flooded. Was just a few inches from flooding the main floor.

Didn't mean to get long winded, but it ended up that way. I am still living in the same house.

This is all that is left of the Lincon Drive neighborhood.
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/49 FEET???? HA!!!!
//Come hell and high water, the Herald delivers.
///Neighbor has a Lincon Drive street sign in his garage that I want to swipe. They have become a collectors item.:rolleyes:
 
Lupinus, please go back and read the second paragraph in my post #46.

To add: Jefferson only wanted to buy the city of New Orleans from France. Sure, he wound up with what we call the Louisiana Purchase, but he only really wanted the city itself. France was desperate for money, and bluffed through an "all or none" deal. The reason for having a city in the general vicinity of New Orleans is unchanged in what, 202 years? Something like that.

:), Art
 
Mizzle- I suppose you would like to build a dome around it too? Maybe thirty or forety foot walls around it? You want it you pay for it. I have no desire to live there I shouldn't have to pay for your city to be rebuilt to be destroyed over and over agian.

Art- We don't need an entire city there. That one little spot is not essential right on that one area, you coul move up river, where it isn't below sea level right on the coast and isn't a bowl. Even if you want the ports there as carebear said you don't need a whole big city.

If people want to live there then that is their headache, but massive amounts of federal funds shouldn't go to keep the city in that location when it could easily be moved a few miles up river.
 
Lupinus said:
Mizzle- I suppose you would like to build a dome around it too? Maybe thirty or forety foot walls around it? You want it you pay for it. I have no desire to live there I shouldn't have to pay for your city to be rebuilt to be destroyed over and over agian.

Art- We don't need an entire city there. That one little spot is not essential right on that one area, you coul move up river, where it isn't below sea level right on the coast and isn't a bowl. Even if you want the ports there as carebear said you don't need a whole big city.

If people want to live there then that is their headache, but massive amounts of federal funds shouldn't go to keep the city in that location when it could easily be moved a few miles up river.


Yeah lets build a dome around it! Im not even responding to that unintelligent comment! Im done posting about this since the majority of the post are by people who know nothing about the state of Louisiana and or the "AREA" of N.O. I assume if an when New York City gets a major terrorist attack(nuclear etc..) God Forbid we just abanded it becuase there is lots of crime and its dirty and its destin to be hit again and again by terrorist?
 
For the record I think LA is in an assinine location as well, if that makes you feel better mizzle.

The point was to your remarks that there is no reason to abandon it because of the water and that more should be done to protect it.
 
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