New Reloader Decision

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Hi all,

With recent increases in ammo prices and my XD45's never ending appetite, I've decided to take the plunge and start reloading!

I am at a decision point and would like opinions.

Two men I respect adviised me to start with a Dillon 550 or Square Deal, however, I like the price and capability of the new Lee Classic turret.

I only shoot 45ACP right now and don't anticipate changing.

For a beginner it seems as if the Lee's price is right.

The Dillon is much more expensive and I am cautious about dumping that much money at the beginning stages.

All helpful advice appreciated!

Thanks
 
It really depends on how much ammo you shoot per month.

My advice is to go over to your friend's house and watch him load on his Dillon progressive, then find someone with a Lee turret, or any other brand of turret, for that matter, and observe the two operations: progressive vs. turret.

I shoot no more than 150-200 per month, and most often far fewer, so I bought and use a turret -- a Redding T-7.
 
Redhat

I would go with the Lee Classic turret over the 550 or the Square Deal to see if you will enjoy reloading. I have always believed that beginners should start out on a single stage press but with everything I have read if I was starting out again instead of buying the RCBS Rock Chucker, which I have along with a Hornady AP, I think I would go with the Lee Classic turret.

Personally, I can't see spending the amount of money that Dillon or RCBS is asking for their turret press especially if you decide you want to go progressive latter on you have a lot of money wrapped up in a turret press and conversions that could have been better spent going toward a progressive. Later on if you decide you need more volume get then consider a Dillon XL 650 or Hornady AP Lock-N-Load progressive presses.
 
Lee turret Classic Cast four hole. Price is right and if you decide to move up to the blue cool aid you can with no lost $$$...:) The turret will still come in handy for those other jobs...I have a Lee Classic Turret three hole and if I replace it I'll get the Lee Classic Cast four hole.
 
Thanks all,

Couple of folks asked how many rounds I planned on firing, but I think that largely depends on how many I have. Right now I'm limited by the expense of factory ammo!

In other words...if I had more I'd shoot more!

Wouldn't we all?:D
 
Redhat,

If you really do get into reloading like you are indicating you want to, most likely you will want to eventually own a progressive press. The 550 and Square Deal are not progressive presses even if you install a case feeder on the 550 it still just a very expensive turret press that you have to index by hand. Go with the Lee for now while you are learning to reload then go progressive when you are ready. The Lee will still be useful for those calibers you have that you don't shoot often enough to justify buying additional shell plates or conversions kits for a progressive.
 
Go for the turret press, you get decent output and only one operation is happening at one time. You are going to make mistakes starting out and it is far easier to learn how to catch them when you can give your complete attention to a single operation.

The progressives such as the Dillon 550 and 650 have multiple things happening at one time and are more expensive.

For the price of the 550 alone you can get the Lee Classic Turret, tumbler, media separator, dies, calipers, and just about anything else you need.

I personally went with Lee Classic Turret Press with Lee dies and most everything else RCBS.

If you decide to get a progressive press you will likely still use the Turret press for single stage type operations.
 
Much thanks,

I was leaning towards the Lee before talking to my two friends. Can you get decent accuracy out of the turret types for hunting ammo (rifle)? Or does that require a single stage operation?
 
Probably the best turret on the market is the Redding T-7. And if you put ammunition loaded by both the T-7 and the Lee Classic Cast Turret I doubt that you will see any difference down range...For that matter, even against the Blue cool aid you will be hard pressed in seeing the difference. Most of the accuracy comes from your skills.
 
Redhat,

Your choice in press will not affect the accuracy of you ammunition. The biggest factor to accuracy is your reloading practices. The accuracy game is all about consistency, here are some but not all of the major factors: case length, charge, OAL, and bullet weight. I think the biggest variance between single stage, turret and progressive can be the charge weight. Usually when you load on a single stage and sometime on a turret press you weight most if not all your loads but on a progressive you rely on the accuracy of your powder measure and only weigh the loads occasionally. I weigh every 25th round on my progressive. You can reduce the variation by choosing powder that dispense well you your powder measure.
 
Redhat,
I think you would be very happy with a classic turret. Most people can load 200 rounds per hour in no time. If you have 3 hours a week thats 600 per week and 2400 per month. I can load more ammo on my classic turret than I can shoot in a month. Cabela's has a great deal on the classic turret in a kit.
Rusty
 
Two men I respect adviised me to start with a Dillon 550 or Square Deal, however, I like the price and capability of the new Lee Classic turret.

The Lee Turret is a great starter press which you may never change unless you get to reloading a bunch of ammo. And I mean a BUNCH. It will load accurate ammo along with the best and the fastest. You will need a lot of things and want more things. It will get exspensive if you are not carefull. I started with an RCBS Partner press kit. I used it a long time before I made the plunge and got my Hornady progressive.
 
Thanks for the help gents,

Sounds like the Lee it will be. Is this thing difficult for a newbie to set up or does it come with good instructions?

What accessiries will are recommended aside from the press and dies?
 
Redhat,

Before I start, let me say I own a Hornady LnL, a Lee Classic Turret and have a Lee Classic Cast single stage on order. I've also owned, in the past: A Dillon 550, an RCBS Rock Chucker, an RCBS Partner press and a LymanT-mag turret press. I have friends who own Lee Loadmasters, Pro 1000's, Lee's older style turret and Dillon's 650 progressive. I've loaded on their presses as well. So I have a good bit of exposure to a number of presses. I started out with an RCBS Partner press and learned to reload on it. Note what I still own, (The Lee single stage is my second one, a son "borrowed" the first.) and what I don't.

That said, each person has a different style of reloading and different objectives, so let that guide you in what you're buying.


"With recent increases in ammo prices and my XD45's never ending appetite, I've decided to take the plunge and start reloading!"

Good choice in caliber and an easy round to reload.

"I am at a decision point and would like opinions."

My vote is for the Lee Classic cast turret press with a safety prime, Lee deluxe 4-die set and a Pro Auto Disk Powder measure. It'll give you 200 or better rounds per hour, is very affordable, allowed you to have excellent control of the ammo you're loading, loads accurate rounds (I'm loading a lot of very accurate surplus ammo on mine.), is a very high quality machine for not much money and is generally a fun press to reload with.

"Two men I respect adviised me to start with a Dillon 550 or Square Deal, however, I like the price and capability of the new Lee Classic turret."

Those are good presses, but neither one is a "best buy" these days. The 550 is manual advance and for that much more money than a Lee Classic turret, I'd want automatic advance. The Square Deal B uses non standard dies, so you'd be stuck using only Dillon dies, plus it doesn't load rifle cartridges. You can buy a much faster press than the 550 in the Hornady LnL for about the same money as the 550 (no casefeeder) and you can buy a much more flexible press than the Square Deal B in the Lee Classic Cast press for less money than the SBD.

"I only shoot 45ACP right now and don't anticipate changing."

Then the Square Deal B might be for you, but would you want to tie yourself down to only one press and have to buy another if you change your mind later? I wouldn't. I'd want to be able to have the option to upgrade or not, which the Lee Classic Turret press will give you.

"For a beginner it seems as if the Lee's price is right."

If the Lee had been available at the time I decided to upgrade from the single stage press, I'd have saved a lot of money and would not own a Hornady LnL right now. Unless you have little time and lots of money, the Lee is plenty fast enough for the average reloader. I've shot IPSC and High Power and never needed any more production than the Lee provides. Faster is a good thing, if tmie is extremely limited, but sometimes simplicity, cost and control of what you're doing is more of an issue. The Lee classic Cast turret, setup with a Safety Prime, a set of Lee Deluxe dies and a Pro Auto Disk measure provides a really great platform to not only learn how to reload under control, but to produce a reasonable amount of rounds per hour.

"The Dillon is much more expensive and I am cautious about dumping that much money at the beginning stages."

You, Sir, are a wise man. I applaud your common sense and frugality. Even if you invest in a progressive at a later date, you'll still find good uses for the Lee Classic turret. I found enough use for one, I added it to my stable of presses. One reason was because it is very inexpensive to add a second caliber to it.

A statement was made in the posts above about another brand of turret being the "best." I think this article addresses this:

http://www.realguns.com/archives/122.htm

Check out the link. I think you'll find the article interesting reading. Shows the setup and everything involved as well. It's an easy press to setup. There's some tuning tips I posted in a couple posts. If you do a search of my nickname, you can find the tips for extremely smooth press setup and operation.

Regards,

Dave
 
Thanks for the link. Excellent product information.

Now if you'll excuse me it's kick-off tiime!
 
Redhat,
Setup isn't too bad, but you'll need all of the instructions from every part of press... dies, primer device, powder measure, the press itself, etc etc etc. I bought the Classic Cast Turret (4 hole), Deluxe 4-die pistol set (includes shell holder), Pro Auto Disk, auto-disk riser, Safety Prime (Large & Small), Adjustable Charge Bar, an inexpensive digital scale, digital calipers, safety glasses, and Modern Reloading by Richard Lee.

Measure your charges, and measure your finished rounds, especially in the beginning.
 
Redhat,

I just ordered a press last Friday. I ordered a Lee Loadmaster. My final choice was between a Dillon Square Deal B and the Lee. I bought the Lee press for a bit more than a set of caliber dies for the Dillon. I'm told that the Lee takes a bit of fiddling to get right, but I'm mechanically inclined and willing to set it up right.

One thing I particuarly liked was that the Lee includes a case feeder, which is about $250 from Dillon. You can also buy a bullet feeder (although reviews on it are mixed) for $25. Lee dies are as good as anyone's.

I've heard no stories about the Lee aluminum frame cracking. I suggest getting a universal depriming die for the first stage, then priming and resizing in the second stage. This is supposed to pretty much eliminate primer misfeeds.

I should get my setup by the end of this week. If you haven't bought your press by then, let me know and I'll post a review. I plan to reload only 9mm (for IPDA) and .45 (for Bullseye). I'm not a long gun guy.
 
I dropped my money into the Dillon.

2 of my biggest reasons had nothing to do with the press. One is the fact that 3 of my co-workers own 550's, and I can borrow toolhead/shellplate changes for reloading calibers I don't want to sink money into just yet. The other is because I work 25 miles from Dillon. I can go there on a long lunch break.

I don't regret the purchase. Even if I didn't like reloading, the 550 is a useful tool that allows me to load match-grade ammo for same or lower price than plinking stuff. Lots of it. Fast.

As for the Lee - I considered going this route, but figured I'd eventually end up with some sort of progressive anyway. So, I dropped the extra $200 up front.

Honestly, it's not the press that costs a buttload of money - it's the $3-400 worth of additional stuff that gets you. Buy either one... just don't let anybody tell you that one press is better than the other for your situation. You can't possibly end up with a bad result given the path you're on.
 
Redhat,
The Lee Classic Turret is the press I started with. I thought it was very easy to setup and use. What sold me on the turret was the fact that with a progressive you can make a bunch of ammo in a hurry, and you can make a bunch of bad ammo in a hurry. I have talked to a lot of people that have had 10 or 12 rounds in a row without primers or primers going in upside down. With the Lee turret you can see every primer before it is seated so those problems are eliminated. From what I have heard all progressives need adjusting for everything to keep working right. With my Lee turret all I have to do is pull the handle, nothing has gone out of adjustment yet. Don't get me wrong, I think progressive presses are great and have their place. They are just more than I wanted when the Classic Turret will do everything I need for a lot less money.
Rusty
 
i just had to chime in on this one. i like many others started with a lee turret press. but if i could do it over again i would buy the dillion without a doubt. you can buy a video that walks you thru set up step by step, and you also receive a detailed instruction manual that you can always reference. i have the 550b, and as far as always needing to adjust it--that's not even close to the truth. granted when starting a loading session i double check everything, but i rarely have to make new adjustments. and the customer service from dillion is above and beyond. i say this because i'm guilty of being in a hurry at times (and a little dumb), and have broken items that dillion has replaced without hassle or charge on numerous occasions in my last 15 years of reloading. yes dillion is more money than lee, but the time i save reloading more than makes up for the initial investment. don't get me wrong, i still use certain lee items, but their press isn't one of them.

if you're certain you're going to reload, buy the dillion. it will save you countless hours at the reloading bench. and if you make a mistake, you can always fall back on their knowlegeable customer service for help (they actually know the product they sell).
 
Thanks to all for the advice.

I think I'm going to start out with the Lee Classic Turret. The dillon looks nice but it's more than I want to invest at this time.

If I really like the reloading hobby, I will certainly look at Dillon!
 
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