New Reloader Decision

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I took a closer look at the die and found it was not touching the shell plate it was about 1/16" above it when I got down at examined it closely.

Idano, I figured that out pretty quick, but I started on 40S&W.

I agree with going with the turret press from Lee. All of us can now say, "If I'd have known what I do now, I'd have gone with the AP, or Dillon." Point is, you didn't know. None of us did. Everyone has to start out simple. This is not a hobby you dump every bit of cash into when you start out, nor do you rush it. Haste makes waste, and accidents. Beginners will have their hands full checking their loads, making sure their dies are set right, and getting the proper OAL. Heck, I still have my hands full with all of that. Almost all of us have started out on a single stage. We eventually move up, but we have experience to help us along. We've all dumped that extra 200 or more bucks into something we found we like. There's no reason to press a beginner into the big purchase, especially since there's no guarantee they will like it.
We've done Redhat a service in helping him choose a press that is good for beginners, and has enough room to grow, and is in his budget. We should consider the money aspect closed.
 
Redhat,

The loads on the Speer #11 my buddy has work great. He still has it and still uses it. The books aren't that expensive that you can't buy another. He owns #12 and #13 as well. And when #14 comes out, I'm sure, if you want it, you can buy it. Last I knew, there ain't no rule saying if you buy the older version, you cain't buy the newer un later. (grin)

None of which has a darn thing to do with the price of copper in China.

Regards,

Dave
 
RedHat, I think you've made a smart decision.

Just for icing on the cake, if in the future you should want to load an additional cartridge, with the turret press you only cost would be a Lee die set for about $18-$20, including the shell holder. Your cost for the Dillon would approach three times that. And that's why most progressive press owners also have a single stage or turret press...for those cartridges they don't shoot enough to make the cartridge change worthwhile on the big press.
 
If you are wanting to get into reloading on the cheap and are not sure if you will like it, the Lee Hand Press is usually 20-30 dollars and works very well for rifle and handgun. I have a progressive press and the hand press. It can be relaxing to pull out the hand press and crank out a few rounds of ammo/small batch without having the extensive setup and calibration a progressive press requires.
 
Tootaxed,

That is exactly why I have a Lee Classic Cast Turret and single stage right next to my Hornady LnL on my bench. For milsurps I want to load for, but don't want to invest in the cost of the high volume progressive caliber conversion. Even with the Hornady, which is the least expensive caliber changeover all all the progressives, you're out a good bit more than you would be with a Lee Classic Cast turret press.

Plus, for low volumes, it's fun to load with "something different."

Regards,

Dave
 
Midway makes a very good tumbler for 50 dollars on sale. RCBS sells a balance beam scale for 50 dollars (RCBS 505)or an electronic one that runs 85-100 (RCBS 750 Junior) dollars on sale.
 
Scales:

First I like a mechanical beam style scale. There's lot of brands of scales out there. I own a Redding, but wouldn't buy it again. I've used lots of other scales, including the Lee, Hornady, Dillon and all the RCBS branded scales my friends in this area have.

I am going to replace my Redding Scale and when I do, it's going to be an RCBS (Ohaus manufactured) 1010. A scale is an important device and the 1010 is about the Cadillac of beam scales. Of particular interest is it's fine adjustment. Nothing better on the market.

It, unfortunately is also expensive, but, unlike most of my other very frugal opinions, I think it's worth it. The differences between it and the others justify the difference in price. The main difference being capacity and an excellent, stable, fine adjustment.

Satisfactory alternatives to the RCBS 1010 are the RCBS 505, the Hornady Scale and the Dillon scale, all of whom appear to be the about same thing with different colors. Again, I would pay the extra and get the RCBS 1010.

As far as electronic scales go, I've seen just too many problems out of every single brand to want to mess with one unless I had a jillion bullets I wanted to weigh. In which case, I'd spend the money and get a Medical Grade scale that weighed in grams and do the math for the conversion.

I made my living for years in electronics (Engineer & Tech.) and I also worked with the Medical Grade electronic scales. I just don't think (and haven't seen any) you can cut all the cost out of a Medical Grade scale and still have a quality mechanical balance (The expensive part of electronic scales.) with stable electronics. What I think you'll find is if the wind blows, the table vibrates or there are fluorescent lights, the electronic scales currently on the market are going to be flakey and they don't have a box to block airflow due to cost cutting. Others may disagree, but that's my .02 on electronic scales.

Did I say I would buy the RCBS 1010? If I didn't, I want to repeat that is the scale I would buy. Some things are just worth what they cost. Not many, but the RCBS 1010 is one of them.

I will change my mind if RCBS decides to move the manufacture from Ohaus to some China based operation like they did the Rock Chucker. In which case I'll look for a used Ohaus made one.

Tumbler:

As far as a tumbler goes, you'll have a tough time finding a better bargain and a better warranty than the Frankford Arsenal (Midway) combination with rotary media separator. There are bigger ones (Dillon and Thumbler's Tumblers), there are pricier ones, but nothing that works a lot better. They're simple devices and I've had my Frankford for 6 years and ran the you know what out of it and it's still doing it's thing. A good buy for the money.

I hope this helps,

Dave
 
Thanks,

The reason I asked is the Lee kit I'm ordering comes with their scale. They claim it can't go out of balance and reads down to 1/20 gr. I can afford the RCBS, but would I have to get it if the kit already comes with a scale?

Not even considering the electronic at this time.

Thanks again
 
A friend of mine bought the Lee scale (broken when it arrived) and it probably works fine, but if you hold it, it does not exactly build your confidence in it. I am a very big fan of many Lee products, but their scales are not one of them.
 
The Lee scale is okay. It IS plastic. Mine came in the kit, and I use it because I haven't spent the money on a different one. I don't know about 1/20th of a grain, but it's accurate enough to 1/10th. I'm not max-loading, so I'm not walking that fine line between safe and KaBoom. If I'm a tenth off on a charge...Eh...oh well. For competition accuracy purposes on rifles, I would definitely switch. For reasonably accurate pistol ammo, this will do for now.
 
Redhat,

The Lee scale is quite accurate when compared to other scales and check weights, but it can be touchy to use. Buddy of mine had one, he's since bought a very old Pacific scale and is quite happy with the Pacific. I think he either gave away or his Lee is gathering dust now.

Dave
 
I think I might shuck out the funds for the RCBS 5-0-5. Looks very sturdy and it's tried and true
 
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