New revolver shooter-Colt or Remington

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You're right, but there are all kinds of Italian-made cap & ball revolvers that do not duplicate those that were made during the 19th century. Two obvious examples are Colt 1851 Navy style revolvers in .44 caliber, and/or shorter then 7 1/2" barrel lengths.

Also Remington "New Army" revolvers in .44 caliber with short barrels.

Now none of this is wrong - unless you are a history nut. The gunmakers are simply turning out new versions that today's buyers find attractive, and that includes color case-hardened Remingtons.

I believe in free choice - if you like it, buy it. But also realize that what you have isn't a duplicant of anything the original maker(s) did. ;)
 
Old Fuff, if they ain't reproductions then they'd be originals...right?
Very inexpensive 20th Century Original Cap&Ball Revolvers. Not unlike the ROAs...
I couldn't help it :O)

SG
 
I don't know about you Remi-fans... I think you've been out in the sun too long... :D

Next thing I know, someone will come up with one made with a Polymer-plastic frame - ideal for lightweight carry... :evil:
 
I'm workin' on a '58 Rem .44 Lite ... Rounded off barrel down to 2" from the frame, drilled out web on the loader lever. HeeHee!
Well Remington and Colt may not have made variations but Gunsmiths, Gunmen, & Lawmen surely did them up to suite themselves.
This is a good topic and can have alot of fun showin' personal variations and configurations that we come up with.

SG
 
I am going to give you a case of heart failure... :evil:

Last year I was at this gun show, and I had the miserable experience of comming upon an ORIGINAL REMINGTON, that back during the dark ages of the 19th century someone had removed the bullet rammer assembly and then drilled a hole through the center of the web on the front of the cylinder pin. In this hole he placed a screw, the purpose being to hold the pin in place.

Then he sawed the barrel off just in front of the cylinder pin.

I swooned...
 
LoL! I feel that myself...but it was done then and till is today. There are many Shortened snubbies with Birdshead grips in Colt and Remington models...I have even seen Rogers & Spencers done up and converted. I mean old ones also.

Some R purdy and some ain't so purdy.

SG
 
I have one Uberti Remington .44 (Sophia) I really like Ubertis...but my preferance is the ASP/Euroarms as I have collected one NIB SS 1858 .44, an old U.S. Armi San Paolo(Rusty) patina'd and numbered to 1861, a 1973 Euroarms 1858 .44 in the White, and a Hawes of L.A. CA 1858 .36 Rem... I really do like um all the best differantly.
Either way you both get a good deal.

SG
 
The best of the bunch

I have all the models in both 44& 36 cal

but nothing shoots better, well balanced and can chew up a cap,
that gets caught any were in the works, and spite it out. And keep on shooting. Is, are you ready, most know already.

Old army 45 cal ruger with adjustable rear sight.

Best cap&ball revolver ever made, hands down!!!!!! I have one. They don't make them any longer. If i find another one i'll buy it.

Good luck
 
Smoking Gun, I believe you just might know a little something ol' son. That was straight out, right to the point and dead on. I know that I know a whole lot so I can tell if somebody else does or not in just a couple of sentences. You have probably read on here where I had extensive work done on my 5 '58's and 3 Cattleman Carbines. The gunsmith just sent me a new hammer for each one of the 8 as a present for doing business with him. (he done right. I sure spent a lot of money with him. Took years to get him paid off. I'm serious.)He even made a stainless steel hammer for the stainless '58. They are the same as the hammers that came on them except that he tempered each one of them up real good and he put a wider flare on the spur to make it easier to cock. I haven't put them on yet. I froze my left big toe with a bad boot and had to go into Laramie and get part of it trimmed and cut off, so I'm still hopping aroung a little bit while hoping it will heal. Of course my Uberti Walker is stiil my personal favorite I guess, but I'm telling you right now. I love those Remingtyon (Pietta) 1858 New Model Army .44's. They have sure taken good care of my skinny little ass, through thick and thin ol' buddy.
I just read your first reply on this particular thread. I didn't bother going any further....Stan....
 
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When I got my first C&B revolver a couple of years ago, I asked the same question. Ended up going to a shop that had both the Colt and Remington. I went home with a Colt 1860 Army. It could have been an 1851 Navy Colt but the 1860 won the coin toss. The Remington was simply not as comfortable in my hand. Strictly personal preference.
The Ruger Old Army is in a class by itself. I have one and will get another (at least one other) when I get a chance.

Jeff
 
I will agree a Ruger Old Army is about the best of both worlds, very strong all over, smooth & it smokes the right stuff but alas with them no longer being made I will never see one in my collection "unless I get lucky, which doesn't mean I haven't tried" but to me the next best thin has to be a Solid Remington design.

Maybe one day I can talk ole Smokin out of one of his.
 
GENTLEMAN OF THE CHARCOAL, I'm glad you liked my choices...I could a gone on counting but my point was well received I do believe.
Good to have a Gunsmith that is on the same page with you. Plus cares enough about your friendship to know your needs and presents that to you with a gift. The Carbine as of yet I haven't had the pleasure of firing. Though I will someday...
Rem folk are special, jus' ask us.
I resently picked up another E.N. Santa Barbara 1858 NMA. This one is not engraved the other two are ... they are at least about 28 years old. If you get a chance to pick one up, do so you'll be pleased.

1858 E.N. Santa Barbara standard
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c277/Smokin_Gun/Revolvers/NewSantaBarbara.jpg
Partial Engraved
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c277/Smokin_Gun/Black Powder Revolvers/PHTO0035.jpg
Full Engraved
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c277/Smokin_Gun/Black Powder Revolvers/PHTO0036.jpg

SG
 
Aw, come on, SG. You've got so many you'll never even know it's gone. Just give the poor guy one. Have you no heart?
 
If'n you guys are going to talk swap you have to get the ino-cent wimmin and children out of the way first. I don't want no noncombatents getting hurt. :neener:
 
Terminology...we got ta callin' Revolvers Reproductions and
Replicas.
Do these both mean the same?
Then when Colt called Second Generations a Rerun... that would still be a Reproduction but not a Duplicate. Correct?
So we have Italian Reproductions and Italian Replicas. Neither are Duplicates cause they are either a very accurate Reproduction, or could be a Replica with a variation such as caliber or metal used, or adjustable sites.
So what I am sayin' is that isn't fair to say these can be either a Replica or a Reproduction with without a worry of caliber, metal, or sites.
Historically correct would infer a duplicate would it not?
Close would be a Reproduction...Looks like it, same caliber, same finnish and Metals...
Replica any variation thats close to what it is suppose to look like...

SG
 
My wife is an antiques dealer. In the antiques world there is no legal or practical difference between the terms 'replica' and 'reproduction'. Both describe an article that is close to an original but lacking in some way; it can be size, materials, a basic feature or a simple change in manufacturing process.

If an item is made by the original manufacturer, using exactly the same materials and processes, and has exactly the same features, as an 'original', then it is also an original, although it may not be an antique due to age.

An 1860 Colt Army made by Uberti is either a reproduction or a replica, regardless of how well it mimics the original gun made by Colt at the factory. A Second Generation Colt 1860 Army is an original unless Colt says otherwise, which they have not despite having used Uberti-made parts. Colt Manufacturing Co., Inc., says they are original Colt guns that are just made at a later time. The Third Generation Colts are more difficult to classify as there was a licensing agreement with Colt Blackpowder Arms; only Colt Manufacturing, Inc. can say whether they qualify as originals and there is some controversy as to whether they have done so in some cases.

There is no legal or practical definition of the term 'duplicate', although some dealers use it to mean an item that mimics an original in all obvious traits. Technically, as the term is used in the trade, a 'duplicate' is actually a 'replica', not an original.

'Historically correct' also has no legal or practical definition in the trade.

These are the definitions used in my wife's profession; they have been defined by legal process in at least the US and all the Commonwealth countries and perhaps other countries that use English as a legal language. Other professions may have other meanings or other terms.
 
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