new rifle, reasonable price, great accuracy

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gunbroker.com... those are some good prices! Heres a question though, how do you do the trasfer? They mention something about shipping it to an ffl dealer locally but what exactly does that mean? Do i find a local dealer and just poick it up? Do they charge for it?

is there a transfer ownership paper or something? I have only bought from an ffl dealer so im not sure the protocol.
 
If you don't like yesterdaysyouth's options, stop by my place, and you can try out a few "bigger bore" rifles :D .

I still think the SKS would be worth it (but since I've got one, I'm biased :) )
 
gunbroker.com... those are some good prices! Heres a question though, how do you do the trasfer? They mention something about shipping it to an ffl dealer locally but what exactly does that mean? Do i find a local dealer and just poick it up? Do they charge for it?

is there a transfer ownership paper or something? I have only bought from an ffl dealer so im not sure the protocol.
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Basically you treat the inital auction like an Ebay auction. You send a signed copy of you're dealers FFL (Obtain prior to bidding and mail to seller) and pay the Price of the gun to the seller, then the gun is shipped to an FFL and you pay something like 25 dollars for the background check and transfer. Basically just add $25 + Shipping to the cost of a gun broker gun and you have you're "out the door price"

Start going to dealers and see what they cost. Some will do it cheaper than others.
 
hmmm heres another question then. I am 19 so i cant purchase a handgun from a FFL dealer. But i believe i am allowed to own one, as long as i obtained it in a private sale. Would it still be considered a private sale because it went through the FFL?
 
No it would not be considered a private sale. If it does go through an FFL you MUST be 21. The only way you could obtain a handgun legally would be to go to a gun show and buy one from a person in the crowd, or get one out of the news paper.

At least in Texas, you can be 18 and posess a handgun, but you can't buy one from an FFL (Dealer), you can't buy ammo for the pistol, and you can't get a CCL. :cuss:
I'm 20. I feel you're pain.
 
Omni not to bust your balls but you been on this site for about a year and almost 300 posts, I figure you should know some of this stuff or atleast be able to search it out by now. You have the info. now just settle on a rifle and call it even. If I was you I pick up a bolt action savage in .223, throw a decent scope on it and go to town. From the sounds of it that is exactly what you want.
 
ak-74, yes i have been on this site a while, but i don't really frequent the rifle or shotgun areas. I have mainly been looking for handguns for CCW in a couple years.

also, if you are commenting about me not having knowledge of private trades, how would I? Like i mentioned in my older posts, i didn't want to buy used. This is the first time i have considered buying a used firearm.
 
If you are talking about the transfer to an ffl say if you bought a gun on gun broker, then it is easy. On gunbroker site they have an option to search for an ffl close to you. Find one that suits you, contact them and let them know what you want to do, they charge you a fee for the transfer and let you know when it comes in.

And for handguns refer to Waffen's post. A private sale is just that. Me to you.
 
i apologize, being new i guess my version of extremley good accuracy isn't the same as anybody elses

im shooting a factory ruger 10/22 right now so anything that is a step up from that would be great. I was kind of confused at ar-15's because so many people make them. if i found one around $500 is it safe to assume it is a junk gun?
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If I understand your version of "extremely good accuracy", then yes, it is much more forgiving than what these guys call the same. If your stock Ruger 10/22's accuracy makes you happy, then you WILL NOT be disappointed with an AR15.

No offense, but I doubt you (or I) could shoot 1/4moa even with one of these fancy bolt-action rifles. If you WANT an AR, don't let them convince you that you really want a bolt gun. These guys are literally talking 1/2" groups at 100 yards. That takes not only a SUPER accurate gun, but a SUPER accurate shooter.

Listen, I say you save a little longer, and add another $100 - $200 AT MOST to your rifle purchase budget and get a Rock River Arms AR15. RRA factory rifles are definitely NOT junk, and will shoot 1moa with quality ammo. (that's STILL better than most people can shoot) One of their "varmint" models will do 1/4 to 1/2 moa and is STILL not a "$1000 match AR".

Spend some time at AR15.com reading what you can. I am not against bolt-guns, but I LOVE AR15s. I have owned bolt-rifles, and got plain BORED with them after a while because they weren't what I wanted or liked. After you get your first AR, you can take some time to learn to BUILD them (not too difficult) then you could customize yours like you like it for less money than it would cost to purchase off the shelf.

Buy what makes YOU happy... don't settle for less than that.
 
Im not set in stone or anything for an AR-15, mainly the price. A quality bolt-action (im leaning towards a remington 700) should suit my purposes greatly. With enough time and practise, and a decent scope, i should be happily plinking at 100 yards. I just now have to take some time and learn the terminology of scopes, as well as what magnifications i should look into. If i am spending 300 on a rifle, would a 150-200 dollar scope be appropriate? I don't want to have 3 thousand dollar rims on my '96 toyota tercel, if you get what i mean :)
 
That price scope should suit you just fine. It sounds like Simmons or bushnell is a company you are looking for. If you get a simmons the .44 mag, or the Atec are great scopes. It all depends on the kind of shooting as to the magnification you will want.

For hunting, and general plinking a 4x12xXX scope will do you just fine. If you are in to long range accuracy you may want to look for a 6x20xXX scope. Objective size is just as important as magnification. The larger the Objective (The last octet of numbers) the more light is let in and generally the clearer the image.

Good rings and bases are also quite important. Don't skimp on thoes either. Any self respecting gun shop should have some leupold rings and bases for a Remington 700. You can find them for about $30

Here are some good scopes that you could swing for a total price of under 500.
http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/t...-link.jhtml_A&_DAV=MainCatcat20712&hasJS=true

http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/t...-link.jhtml_A&_DAV=MainCatcat20712&hasJS=true

http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/t...-link.jhtml_A&_DAV=MainCatcat20712&hasJS=true
 
Sorry I tuned in late

I have Three AR's and two bolt guns in .223. I love my AR's but my single shot Savage will put them to shame and my CZ sporter will equal them. What am I doing wrong? Nothing at all. I haven't invested in trigger upgrades for my AR's,probably won't and that's OK with me. I love them all. I won't tell you what my Savage is capable of but it's pretty good. The only addition is a SSS trigger and it was the best ninety dollars I've ever spent. My advice is bolt gun. There's a bunch of good ones out there....Essex County
 
so when i buy rings and bases i just find them to fit the rifle, and not the scope? My ruger came with a screw in plate for mounting a scope so im not sure what the "rings and bases" are but im sure my local gun shop can show me :)

thanks for all the links for the scopes, ill check my local wally world to see if they stock them (although i somewhat doubt it) There website has been funky latley so i can't search for them. I'll probably just end up ordering it from the company's website.
 
Well generally you want 1" rings and the mounts will either be 1 or 2 piece and is specific to the rifle it is going on. You will have to give them that info. when ordering
 
Correct. Rings and bases are made to fit the rifle. You buy them according to the model of the gun. They will come in different sizes that you will need to gauge. The sizing is done according to the objective on the scope you buy.

So lets say you get a 4x12x50 scope. You will mostly likely need "High" rings. If you buy a 4x12x40 scope you can get "standard" rings. Keep in mind, if you mount the scope to high up you will need a cheek rest so it will all line up.

BTW keep a lookout for adjustable objective or or other objective types.

This being you're first scope, you probably will not want to get a "Tactical" scope with windage adjustments or 1/8 MOA adjustments.

Here is my Remmy 700 SPS with a 6x18x40 Pro Hunter on it. It's a basic rifle package that could be had for about 600-650 depending on where you shop.

http://home.austin.rr.com/mikesguns/remington700.JPG
 
Waffen, nice rifle! I was thinking about getting a synthetic one as well, i have the woodstock already- gotta get something tactical ;)

out of curiosity, how will i know what kind of rings to get? you mentioned 1 inch? When i buy the scope will it say how big around it is?
 
A quality flat-top AR such as a Bushmaster with a tubular handguard (floated barrel) and good ammo (Blackhills 52 gr HP) will shoot 1" or better @ 100 yards with a decent scope. Another alternative is a Remington 700. I have seen one varmit rig shoot a cloverleaf @ 300 with handloads. I own two ARs, both now have after-market barrels and will easily shoot sub MOA, I also have a Remington 700 LTR in 308 which shoots sub MOA to 500 yards.
 
wow bill, that accuracy greatly exceeds what i planned on getting with my purchase :D

i contacted walmart and here are some prices they 'shot' at me:

$548 BDL .223
$599 CDL .223
$399 SPS .223

the SPS is what i am really interested in. Looks amazing, but the price is about 50 bucks more than i planned... Would it be significantly better than the ADL? They don't carry it and its not on the remington site anymore.

I havn't checked with local gunshops do to my work shcedule, id hafta check on the weekends.

Should i bite the bullet and get the SPS, or hold out for a NIB ADL?
 
You can pretty much bet the farm that any scope you are looking at is oging to have a 1 inch tube.

Scopes also come with a 30mm tube for better light transmission, however those scopes generally will cost more than you are willing to spend on you're entire package. Nobody working at a gun shop is going to hand you 30mm rings if you ask for "Medium Remington 700 leupold rings and a 1 peice base".

If you are intrested in having a 30mm scope for some reason check out Zeiss, Khales, Swavorski, and certian leupolds , among many others.

Like I said the only diameter on the scope you will really have to worry about is the objective.
 
Omni, the SPS is a great rifle for sombody like you IMO. That is the rifle I posted a link to. It replaced the ADL for the 05 lineup. It basically standardized all remington actions to have the hinged floor plate like the BDL. The only real differences are the bead blasted finish (Like some 870's), the lack of open sights and the synthetic stock. The stock isn't the greatest, but the R3 recoil pad is nice.

The BDL with a wood stock is nicer IMO, but the accuracy should be the exact same.

Omni, keep in mind the rifle that Bill is talking about (Rem 700 LTR) is going to be more accurate than an SPS , CDL, or BDL. It has a bull barrel and a higher quality stock. The accuracy on all rifles is relative however. My SPS is more accurate than I am. The best group I have shot is a .447 wich is pretty darn good.
 
Omni04;

Here's a couple of links to optics suppliers you might find useful.
www.riflescopes.com & www.bearbasin.com.

For overall general everything suppliers try these: www.midwayusa.com & www.brownells.com

I'll also repeat myself & ask you to take a good look at the Bushnell Legend 5-15 A/O mil-dot. From informal plinking out to any reasonable varmint hunting distance with the .223, you're going to be covered. I'm very happy with mine.

900F
 
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