New rifles you'd like to see...

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danez71 said:
I'd just like to see centerfire semiauto rifles that don't have pistol grips.
Bring back the traditional stocks!!!

Something of competition to the mini 14. HK made one for a while.

There has to be a big enought market to have more than just the mini. Right?

Keeping with traditional stocks... make some of them pistol calibers too ala PC9 PC4... make a PC10 too while they're at it.
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Have you checked out the Ares SCR (in 5.56) or the Browning BAR Mk 3 DBM (308 Win)? The former is basically a traditional-stocked AR-15 (primarily aimed at ban states, but available all over); the latter is the BAR hunting rifle but with a shorter barrel and a ten-round detachable box magazine.

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https://fightlite.com/collections/scr-rifles

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http://www.browning.com/products/fi...tion/bar-mk3-stalker-detachable-magazine.html
 
Yes I have... thanks.

The Ares is $1100 with some proprietary parts so, for me, I don't see much advantage over a mini because I'm not going to play legos with it. Heck, even my 10/22s are stock except for a scope. I do like it though.

The BAR would be nice but in all reality, 308 is way overkill for me as I don't hunt other than maybe on occasion rabbits.
 
adcoch1 said:
You know Jim, I keep hearing about this new modern machining that is supposed to make stuff better too. What I keep seeing though is stuff designed to be mass produced. What I would like to see with that over under is one that looks decent, not like the baikal. Even at $1000 it would be cheap/affordable if it looked nice, but rarity/obscurity seem to drive up the price on even the really ugly and unrefined products that are out there. Somewhere there should be a decent rifle shotgun combo for HUNTERS without having to buy a drilling or pay that kind of price. I really wish Ruger would do it. Even at a grand or more in price. Affordability is pretty subjective even to me, and I think you hit it right, most just want low cost. I want quality for a decent price... My .02
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I'm a fan of combo guns as well. I had one of the Baikals for a bit. It was a decent gun, but it was very heavy as was the trigger pull for the rifle barrel.

The problem is, there's just not much of a market for them. Combos and drillings really only shine as a practical hunting weapon and hunting is on the decline in the US, fast becoming a rich man's pass time. There aren't many people who would drop a moderate amount of money (say $1000 to $2000) on a decent, tasteful, 2 shot hunting gun that will only see the local range. There's just not much incentive for a manufacturer to tool up for something like that when entry level bolt guns and ARs can be produced for a song and fly off the shelves.

I do empathize, though. I get as excited about wonderbolts and ARs as I do about a bowl of unflavored oatmeal. Maybe some day I'll be in a position to afford guns that look and feel nice and are also durable and long lasting.
 
I'd like to see a smaller, lighter version of the Mini-14, closer to the M1 Carbine. IMO, the Ruger is a little too long and heavy for what it is. Lighten it by a pound or so, shorten the stock, and cut the barrel to 16". Oh, and put it in 7.62x39.

Make a baby FAL, scaled down to 75-80% size and chambered in 223 or 7.62x39.

A pump action 357 in a 6 pound plinker would be sweet. Maybe put it in 44 mag.

If someone brought back the nylon 22s, they would sell like hot cakes.
 
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Mosin Bubba said:
I'd like to see a smaller, lighter version of the Mini-14, closer to the M1 Carbine. IMO, the Ruger is a little too long and heavy for what it is. Lighten it by a pound or so, shorten the stock, and cut the barrel to 16". Oh, and put it in 7.62x39.
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The Ares SCR weighs 5.7 lbs, as opposed to the 6.7 lbs of the Mini-14 Ranch Rifle with synthetic stock. It also has a 16.25" barrel as opposed to the 18.5" barrel of the Mini-14.
 
Mitlov said:
The Ares SCR weighs 5.7 lbs, as opposed to the 6.7 lbs of the Mini-14 Ranch Rifle with synthetic stock. It also has a 16.25" barrel as opposed to the 18.5" barrel of the Mini-14.
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I think there's a 16" mini too.

Ive actually posted about the Ares,,, here too, I think..?

It gets pretty decent reviews. The biggest negative is the heavy trigger.... even after their Gen 2 trigger. And I think, not sure, that might be a proprietary part.

It checks all the boxes for me except the price. It could be a little less tactical looking but I could live with that ok.


At $300+ more than the mini, is it really competition? If you want to be able to change uppers and have more tinker options than a mini, then maybe yes. Otherwise, probably not.

They were selling just the lowers too.... but they are never available. Heck, the complete rifles are barely available.. sometimes.
 
danez71 said:
I think there's a 16" mini too.

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At $300+ more than the mini, is it really competition? If you want to be able to change uppers and have more tinker options than a mini, then maybe yes. Otherwise, probably not.
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Oh wow, I missed that. the 16" Mini-14 weighs just 6.6 lbs, only 0.3 lbs heavier than the Ares SCR, and decidedly less "tactical" in appearance (personal preference, but I'm not into tactical stuff at all). But I think Mini prices have gone up substantially recently. The 16" Mini-14 is officially priced at $1139, right in line with the Ares SCR.

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http://www.ruger.com/products/mini14RanchRifle/specSheets/5820.html
 
bfoosh006 said:
An AR15 rifle with an extended magwell ( etc ) the would allow the use of 2.550 OAL 5.56 / .223 loaded rounds... and the mags that go with it.
Image the after market for such a rifle... longer faster rounds from so many cartridges...
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Something like this? This gives more but needs proprietary 308 parts.

The 22-250 uses the standard receiver with the back channel milled out, proprietary mags but one needs to swap bolt stop unless LRBO is not important to you.
 
Mitlov said:
Oh wow, I missed that. the 16" Mini-14 weighs just 6.6 lbs, only 0.3 lbs heavier than the Ares SCR, and decidedly less "tactical" in appearance (personal preference, but I'm not into tactical stuff at all). But I think Mini prices have gone up substantially recently. The 16" Mini-14 is officially priced at $1139, right in line with the Ares SCR.

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http://www.ruger.com/products/mini14RanchRifle/specSheets/5820.html
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Ya... but the Ares I think are actually selling for $1100(+) when/if you can even find them .....and the Minis are actually selling for $800$850 right down the street 15 minutes away from my house with no effort on finding a better price.
 
zaitcev said:
Why, my dear Sir, I may have something just for you, a product of American ingenuity and enterpreneurship, if you will! In continuous production since 2001 right here in sunny Florida!

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Is that a Kel-tec? Kel-tec and 'continuous production' is like saying 'jumbo shrimp' or 'pretty clinton'.

If it is.... those are hard to find too. Gungenie has exactly zero 5.56 anything keltec.

I don't do gun broker because everyone around me want $75+ to do an out of state transfer.


So were back to the Mini's are available and 2 others that are 1) not very available at all, and/or 2) substantially higher price than the mini's

If someone doesn't come out with something more competitive in the year, I'll probably be buying another money replace the one I sold a handful of yrs ago.
 
Well....you're right Jim, I did make a 30-06 rolling block that looks like a #5 Remington Sporting Rifle, But it is a one-off, not built from prints and took me hundreds of hours to make. I would love to sell you guys one, but it wouldn't be cheap and it wouldn't be legal. I don't have a manufacturer's FFL so all I can do with mine is will it to my son. I was told by the ATF that I can't even GIVE the thing to another person, even with no monetary compensation.

I was also told that LOANING it to someone for an indeterminate amount of time was.....a grey area....:thumbup:
 
I am continuously shocked and disappointed that 9mm carbines aren't remotely popular. It's probably due to the glut of AR's, and the higher prices of pistol ammo during the panic.

There isn't really anything between the Hi Point and the Beretta. Hi Points are ok, I guess, but I'd like something a little nicer and higher capacity.

Keltec is clueless. It's looking like currently their 9mm Glock mag carbines carry a $200+ premium because Keltec refuses to make any. They're mostly making .40's that take S&W mags, sloppily painted in silly colors. What, make some in the cheap popular caliber that takes cheap popular magazines? Preposterous. Plain black? Pffff, so unfashionable.

There's some weird proprietary carbines like the Just Right, but they all cost almost as much as the Beretta. You can attempt to assemble a 9mm AR-15, but you won't save any money, and that's if you can make it run. MPA makes a MAC style carbine, but it's silly and expensive. CZ Scorpions are cool but expensive.

It seems like a straight blowback tube gun should be cheap and simple, but I guess my mindset is stuck in 1945.

Or heck, use a plasic AR lower, chop off the buffer tube tower, screw the stock onto the upper, and cast the bolt out of zinc.

A bullpup 9mm carbine would be amazing. It would be particularly great for home defense, but such a thing is apparently impossible.
 
"An AR15 rifle with an extended magwell ( etc ) the would allow the use of 2.550 OAL 5.56 / .223 loaded rounds... and the mags that go with it.
Image the after market for such a rifle... longer faster rounds from so many cartridges..."


Basically an AR in between ( mag well and mag wise ) between the OAL of the .223 /5.56 ( 2.260 ) and the .308 / 7.62x51. 2.800.

Mostly so I could load .223 / 5.56 rounds using a 80gr or 75gr AMAX longer and not have to single load them. The bonus would be added powder room.

Ultimately... even rounds like the .22 Nosler could make better use of the added space with heavy .224 bullets..

Maybe we could convince CMMG.. they are innovative.
 
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