New Ruger .338 RCM

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Just read about the new(?) Ruger .338 RCM
Has anyone had a chance to hunt with this new rifle/cartridge...I'd like to hear about your experiences...Thanks
 
It seems to be a nice round, only time will tell if it's a commercial success. I doubt that the listed ballistics can be duplicated with available components.

NCsmitty
 
Yep, and Yep!

Only mines actually a .338/06. I shoot a 180gr Nosler BallisticTip at 3,000fps, and a 210gr Nosler Partition at 2,775fps.

With decent expanding bullets, it performs about like a .300WinMag. With bullets too heavily jacketed, it's about like a .30/06 or .308/7.62Nato with FMJ ammo. Kills fine if shots are placed decently, not so good if not. But then, thats nothing new is it?

Just the .338WinMag and/or .338/06 "Wheel" reinvented.

And "YAWN" that doesn't cause hysteria and sell new rifles..........
 
Does anyone know how the .338 Ruger compares to a .338 Federal?

I'm interested in both of these calibers for a deep woods elk and bear gun, but I'm leaning towards the Federal because it is available in an AR-type platform.
 
The .338 Ruger is NOT the .338-06. The case is fatter, holds more powder, has more horsepower. That is not to suggest one negative thing about the .338-06. Also, this cartridge isn't that new--it's been out for several months. .338 Win, .338 Ruger, .338 Fed, .338-06--not a lot of performance difference, though they can be ranked with minor differences in that order. Nothing wrong with any of them, choose your preference and enjoy. Nothing at all wrong with options.
 
Any experiences with the Ruger 338 RCM....??? Like anyone, I appreciate
everyones' closet full of "other" guns, "similar" guns/calibers...however
I'm hoping to hear of a hunting experience with that particular cartridge..
Thanks
 
The .338 RCM is supposed to almost duplicate .338 Win Mag performance but in a .308 length case. And out of a 20" barrel.

And that is completely friggin stupid. My prediction is that this round is a complete flop.

If they would have simply necked down the .375 Ruger and left the length alone I.E. 06 length, they'd have had a round that would outperformed the .338 Win by a handy margin in a nice slim rifle with a nice standard length action. They would have had in essence a .340 Weatherby in short mag. Or almost anyway.

What they did was one of the dumbest moves in cartridge history and the round deserves to simply drift off into obscurity. It gives you nothing important and it gives an answer to something that wasn't asked and didn't need to be.

I couldn't believe it when I saw that cartridge. HOW FRIGGINING STUPID!!:rolleyes:
 
I appreciate everyones input, and your opinions on whether or not it's any good or not...It gives us something to consider....However, I still
want to know..................................................
HAS ANYBODY SHOT ANYTHING WITH THE RUGER .338 RCM ?????????
 
Tac,

Obviously not anybody here has shot anything with the .338 RCM. Do you have a question as to how the darn thing is going to perform. It will do EXACTLY what a .338 winmag will do as far as terminal performance is concerned.

So exactly what is it you are needing to know?
 
Just read about the new(?) Ruger .338 RCM
Has anyone had a chance to hunt with this new rifle/cartridge...I'd like to hear about your experiences...Thanks

Go over to 24 Hour Campfire. Lots of people have killed lots of game with it. Do a search for 338-06 and read all about it. :) I just picked up a Hornady brochure and it has the ballistics of their 338 RCM (Really Causeless Magnum?)factory loads. Practically identical to the 338-06...except you can only fit three shells in the magazine instead of four. Of yeah, and since it's one of the short, fat, trendy cartridges it'll be chambered in short action rifles which means you can cycle the bolt .0002 seconds faster and the rifle will weight 2 oz. less than a rifle with a standard length action....unless of course, you scope it with some $1200 4-12X scope with a 30mm tube. :D

Not poking fun at you TacBandit, but seriously, let's not forget: cartridges do not kill game...bullets do. So if you want to read about the effectiveness of the 338 RCM, read about the effectiveness of the 338-06!

Regards,
35W
 
H&H... it looks you you are right...Doesn't look like anyone has shot it.. I may be in the market for something to hunt Kodiak Brown Bear...I was already considering the .338 Win Mag, and then I heard about the new offering from Ruger...was hoping someone had shot it...I'll have to look around locally, see if someone I know has one. I've got a little time to check it out. If someone gets to hunt with one, please holler back...Thanks.....
 
Tac,

I can offer some advice on a brown bear rifle. The .338 Win mag is a good choice as is the .375H&H and the new .375 Ruger. The .375 Ruger in the Alaskan version may well be the finest off the shelf brown bear rifle ever built.

Scope it with a low power variable mounted as low to the receiver as you possibly can and go hunting.

Good luck.
 
Thanks for the info, H&H...would the .338 truly be adequate...??? I'm not considering anything less than a .338 for a Kodiak...
 
The .338 Win mag is "adequate". I prefer the .375H&H but either is perfectly fine given quality bullets and good shot placement.

A .375H&H using 300gr TSX or Swift A-Frames is a really good choice on coastal brown bear. A .338 win mag using the same in 250 gr loadings is also a very good choice. I give the edge to the .375H&H but I wouldn't feel under gunned with a .338 either.

Their have been plenty of big bears killed with .30-06's, .270's and all kinds of other stuff but my take on it is really quite simple. I shoot my .375H&H like it was an extension of my body I am really comfortable with it so why would I use a lesser round on big bears?

I am not saying that it can't be done but every time I've hunted brown bear I've used either a .338 or a .375H&H. There is just something comforting about having a bigger rifle when you are hunting in close cover for potentially dangerous critters.

The .375H&H gives you all the reach you could ever want and it has the close in crushing ability to make it a fantastic choice for your chosen application.

Another reason I'd go with a .375H&H, .375Ruger or a .338 Win is that you can find ammo for them at any sporting goods store in Alaska heck they sell .375H&H ammo at the Walmart in Anchorage. Good luck finding .338RCM ammo if your baggage doesn't come with your rifle!

I just don't see any positives to the .338 RCM over anything we have currently available.
 
Thanks, H&H...Makes good sense, in lots of ways, especially in readily available ammo. I feel comfortable with the .338 Win Mag, and I'll probably go with it...literally. Got a brother there to guide me, and back me up. Thanks for the insight...:)
 
Many of the posts on this topic completely miss the point of the .338 RCM. Lots of opinions swimming in a fact-free sea... The entire design philosophy was to equal the performance of the .338 Win Mag -- but do so out of a 20-inch barrel using a design based on the .375 Ruger case. Hornady has achieved that with a proprietary powder that attains peak pressure more slowly but maintains it longer, generating the desired velocity. The results happily coincide with the current trend toward lighter, shorter, handier rifles. (As some of us are hopefully aware, many traditional magnums achieve their performance numbers out of 24- and even 26-inch barrels, which can be both heavy and, at times, unwieldy). In my book, this is called INNOVATION, and if the resistance expressed by some of the stodgier members of the hunting fraternity always held sway, I'm afraid we'd all still be shooting patched balls and Roy Weatherby's ideas would never have escaped his garage. For some more detailed perspective, I suggest reading Bryce Towsley's review of the RCMs in the new March American Hunter. I've not yet shot anything with the 338 RCM personally, but I'm already a .338 Fed fan (OK, I'm a .338 anything fan) and will use a .338 RCM in late April on an Island Bear hunt, where a 20-inch barrel will be most welcome.
 
and will use a .338 RCM in late April on an Island Bear hunt, where a 20-inch barrel will be most welcome.

KW,

First of all welcome the The High Road. Let me be the first to explain to you that there is no need to insult anybody on this forum. Your comment about swimming in a fact-free sea you'll find is unfounded. There are some extremely experienced hunters and shooters who post here.

I 100% agree with your take on shorter handier rifles. I 100% disagree with you that a proprietary .308 length .338 that won't quite make the advertised .338 win mag claims is the answer. If you took the time to read my post above you'd have seen that I think think the .375 Ruger in a 20" Alaskan version is one of the best things to happen to the rifle world in quite some time.

My only point about the RCM is that if they would have left it .375 Ruger (standard)length they would have had a far better round, shortening it to .308 length then having to stuff it full of "proprietary" powder to get it to perform kills it for me, because I did read the article in American hunter and it sounded like a bunch of excuses and marketing hype. It is simply a slightly hotter .338 federal for the reloader. Unless Hornandy starts selling this magical proprietary powder to reloaders.

I shoot a 20" .375H&H it is light it is handy and I've killed everything from jackrabbits to cape buffalo with it. I also like short and handy but the .338 RCM just ain't it for me it simply doesn't do anything that can't already be done with existing rounds. If I was to buy a new short rifle for Alaska hunting it would be a .375 Ruger. But side by side with 20" barrels guess what? It exactly matches my stainless 20" .375H&H with equal bullet weights so at the moment I don't have a need.

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H&H - Thanks for the welcome. My intention was not to insult, but let's be honest here. You're bias is crystal clear, particularly when you make statements such as...

"The .338 RCM is supposed to almost duplicate .338 Win Mag performance but in a .308 length case. And out of a 20" barrel. And that is completely friggin stupid. My prediction is that this round is a complete flop."

I see nothing "stupid" about that all. The round certainly comes close enough to duplicating the performance of the .338 Win Mag to satisfy me -- especially when we're talking about achieving that performance out of a 20-inch tube -- and calling only a "slightly hotter" 338 Fed is a mischaracterization. I understand your point about wishing Ruger/Hornady had gone a different direction with a cartridge designed for a standard-length action. Fine. To each their own, but that simply was not the design criteria. At the risk of great redundancy, a short-action round for a short-barreled rifle was the goal from the beginning. I certainly have nothing against the 375H&H (unlike some folks), but my universe doesn't revolve around it -- and I don't believe the point of the discussion was to compare the .338 to the 375. Different critters.

It just seems odd that you're going out of your way to slam the cartridge without considering the fact that maybe, just maybe, the smart folks at Ruger and Hornady who put a lot of time and money in this development might just have a better handle on the future prospects of this caliber than you do. Only time will tell, of course, and I'll counter your prediction with one of my own: the .338 RCM is here to stay.

We all can -- and likely forever will - agree to disagree on the merits of various calibers. I suspect it's been that way since cavemen began comparing the virtues of various sized rocks.

The one thing I disagree with you most on, however, is the flippant way you dismissed Bryce Towsley's review as a "bunch of excuses and marketing hype." I am a long-time writer myself for numerous regionals and a couple of national publications, and I find such a statement far more insulting, incendiary and unfair than anything I would ever post to this or any other forum.
 
KW, Question?

How did you dig up this three month old thread on your very first post on THR. Are you searching out negative comments on the .338 RCM to defend them for professional reasons? It's pretty unusual to to hit on a thread that is twenty or more pages back by accident.

As far as my being "flippant" about Towsley's article I'd say jaded is more appropriate than "flippant". Gun writers are paid to write rave reviews about guns from the manufacturer that pay them to write rave reviews about that rifle/caliber. This is also known as marketing. Have you ever seen anything negative about a featured gun in a major gun publication? Of course not, gun writers for the most part have become nothing more than free lance add men for the product they are paid and or bribed with a hunt to write about. I've learned to read between the lines and Bryce's article had some red flags in it. One of the major red flags is that you never see any 250 gr bullet data in the RCM ads. I darn well know why and I'm sure you do to. The case is simply capacity limited and a .338 win is going to eat it's lunch with heavier projectiles. Once again if they would have gone standard length we would have had a far more useful round. If you find that insulting or inflammatory I'd say that you are pretty closely emotionally and or financially associated with the article and the RCM. Suggesting that one read a paid add for a product which is what Towsley's article is, as a testament to the product is kind silly wouldn't you say? I gather my information from people I trust who have no financial interests in the product in question.

The problem for a professional writer on a public forum is that you are dealing with people who have no financial or other ties to the product in question. Therefore you aren't going to always get the "yes man" glowing reviews that you expect from industry shills.

I have nothing against gun writers I am friends with several of them and I also understand how they make a living. Therefore a grain of salt is required when reading about any anything in a gun mag. Anybody with one half of one eye open and at least three brain cells firing should be able to figure that out pretty darn quick.

I have spoken with some of the smart folks at Ruger when I was guiding some of them on a hunt last year and I complimented them on the .375 Ruger and the at the time the not yet publicly known .416 Ruger. I am also very impressed with the much needed improvements of the Hawkeye platform. Namely the trigger. Ruger and the M-77 has had the worst trigger in the shooting industry for years which they finally fixed in the Hawkeye. The other thing that I love about Ruger rifles is their selection of calibers which I find to be outstanding.

The RCM's however have left me cold. By the way another round that made no sense to me was the .480 Ruger which was highly touted by various big name gun writers in the "know" as the greatest thing since sliced bread. How has that round worked out?;)

Sorry if I've offended you that wasn't my intention this is simply the truth as I see it. And by the way you might hit some other sites and read what other hunters/shooters are saying about the RCM offerings. I wouldn't say that there is exactly a plethora of enthusiasm for them in general.

Once again I apologize for striking a nerve. And I do wish you the best of luck on your upcoming bear hunt. I have no doubt that the .338RCM and the Hawkeye rifle will perform wonderfully.:)
 
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