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New SIG Pistol In The House.....err Sort of. SIG ASP SUPER TARGET

Discussion in 'Air Guns' started by cslinger, Jan 27, 2020.

  1. cslinger

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    Well I received this interesting box today.
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    Inside is my new SIG pistol.......from Italy......really. :D
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    The pistol in question is a SIG ASP Super Target. A single stroke pneumatic .177 air pistol. I love my air guns and although I realize a single shot, low powered air pistol isn't everybody's cup of bourbon I love em. My air guns have largely replaced my .22LR shooting time and I find 95% of the time I get far more enjoyment from them then .22 Long Rifle. Besides I always need new places to hemorrhage money.

    I have to say out of the box the pistol feels great in the hand and is put together well. It is designed to VAGUELY look like a SIG P210. More aptly a SIG P210s homely, shy, shut in of a cousin but I digress. It actually doesn't look too bad in person, although I would prefer a nicer set of grips and maybe just a WEEEE bit less verbiage. I mean Ruger might put billboards on their guns but I was sure the one on this one was going to start off with "It was the best of times, it was the worst of times..."
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    Those two things out of the way I gotta say for the short time I have had it out of the box I am liking it. It has the right amount of power and noise for my desires, has good trigger out of the box without any adjusting and seems like it will be an accurate little shooter once it and I settle in. I am very happy with the sights.

    So what about that Italian SIG comment you ask? Well it clearly states MADE IN ITALY in chapter three of the billboard and upon closer inspection I would guess it is made by Chiappa as it functionally identical to my FAS 6004, which is a good thing as my FAS has been a fantastic gun.
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    The first couple of 10 shot groups, off hand at about 25 feet are perfectly adequate for me. My skill level fluctuates between passable and Parkinson's so unless its rested I am not the best person to judge groups by but for the first 20 shots through the gun I am happy. (NOTE my backstop is OLD and needs to be cleaned so I tend to get some spall coming back. I have noted that on the targets.
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    I do believe this little guy will do quite well. :D

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    One thing to mention as far as airguns go. If you are unfamiliar with airguns in general they all tend to need a little break in and they all have pellet preferences. Much like real guns you cannot just shove any ammo in there and expect it all to perform the same.

    The group above was with another "ammo" as I play around with the gun and it produced a pretty nice group for me off hand. The egregious "flyer" to the left was ALL ME. My only surprise was that it was closer then I thought it would be, I felt myself sling that one way off. Again......passable to Parkinson's. :D

    So all in all there you have it an Italian made SIG not firearm pistol. Just the thing you all came to a firearms forum to learn about.

    As always take care, shoot safe and you'll probably shoot your eye out.

    Chris
     
  2. Steve Milbocker

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    Nice review and great shooting!
     
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  3. Kookla

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    Thanks for posting this.
     
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  4. cslinger

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    I did a small rested group. Well rested on a mobile and twisty office chair but rested none the less.

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  5. Steve Milbocker

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    Damn fine shooting Chris! My new Sig will be shipped tomorrow:)
     
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    One quick update. So far no mechanical issues at all. The trigger could be crisper but I don't want to dork with it.

    It seems to like the Finale Heavy Match Pellets.

    I did some RESTED shooting around 10m-11m (I was somewhere between 33-40 feet). My first several shots I was just trying to find a point of aim to use. I slung one shot into the clip holding the target (DOH!!!) and a few above and around trying to dial in.

    I did finally get a very nice five shot group from a RESTED sitting on the floor position. I could NEVER come anywhere near this standing offhand. Honestly I'd be ecstatic with my sight in stuff above standing offhand. At any rate purely mechanically it appears that the SIG will shoot nice groups. That said the sights and the trigger definitely make in more of a standard semi automatic pistol understudy much more-so then a target gun.

    It's a wicked fun gun though. :D

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  7. Kookla

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    @cslinger I've read your other posts about the HW75, this seems very similar. How does Sig's new offering compare to the HW75?
     
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    The HW75 is better made / finished at least as far as my subjective feel and has a better trigger out of the box.

    Accuracy it’s hard to tell as I am the limiting factor for either it seems. The HW75 has more of a target grip and feel. The SIG more “normal gun” feel.

    I have the following SSP pistols and feel that they all stack up reasonably well against each other although some are better at being real target grade guns where others are more higher end accurate plinkers. The SIG falls more in the higher accuracy plinker camp.

    SIG ASP
    IZH46m (this is a REAL 10m competitive pistol)
    HW75 (more target grade end of the scale but still more accurate plinker)
    HW40 (high end plinker)
    FAS 6004 (could probably play in the shallow end of the competitive pool).

    honestly from price to accuracy to build they all compare fairly well to each other with none jumping out at me as sucking or being night and day better then the others with the exception of the IZH absolutely being a tier above in raw 10m competitive accuracy and trigger etc.
     
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  9. Steve Milbocker

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    I'm not very pleased with my Sig ASP Super Target at the moment. Had a catastrophic trigger failure yesterday. Upon cocking the trigger kicked sideways like a pin broke on one side jamming it up. I was able to push it back to center and discharge it. AOA said they don't handle warranties so I have to contact Sig. Personally I feel a company that sells a product should also deal with their providers on behalf of their customers. I guess I'm just used to the way it used to be in small town America. I can't find my receipt but hopefully Sig will make it right.
     
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  10. cslinger

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    At the end of the day it is a Chiappa product and Chiappa isn't exactly know for their QC. That said both my FAS 6004 and SIG ASP have so far performed just fine. Now full disclosure and I don't shoot every day and like my firearms I have a LOT of airgun variety so I spread my shooting out across different platforms so it is likely I am not generally hard on either my airguns or my firearms. There are some I shoot far more then others but the love gets spread out so to speak. :D

    I would be interested to hear what you find out from SIG. As far as Pyramyd I can't necessarily fault them, although I have gotten pretty stellar service from them over the years and who knows maybe if we were were in normal times they may have been more likely to just handle it vs. now where everybody is swamped/has there hands tied while still trying to do their jobs.

    I honestly wouldn't judge anybody too harshly during this global weirdness.
     
  11. Steve Milbocker

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    Arizona actually. Less than a tin of pellets thru it. They were pretty matter of fact about not handling warranty issues." we're just a retailer". I highly doubt the pandemic had anything to do with it. I'll keep you posted
     
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    JESUS reading is fundamental. I read AOA but because I bought mine from Pyramyd I just mentally filled in Pyramyd. AOA, is a different beast. I have bought from them, actually have something coming now from them, but never really dealt with their customer service beyond they seem to be slow to email etc.
     
  13. Steve Milbocker

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    When I bought the Sig I originally wanted the FAS but the Salesman said buy the SIG. We’ve had to send quite a few of the FAS back. Hmm ... sounds to me like they have dealt with warranty issues before. At any rate they’ve pissed me off enough that it’s highly unlikely I’ll be doing any more business with them.
     
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    Make sure you let them KNOW that.............1000 good reviews and most don't notice, but one bad internet review and things can get ugly quickly.
     
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    Good idea George. I sent them an email suggesting that they as a company should stand behind the products they sell and if necessary deal with their suppliers on behalf of their customers. We shall see what happens.
     
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    We are sorry we are not able to help you. Manufacturers set the parameters of retailers who sell their products. Sig Sauer is the warranty center for all Sig Sauer products. We do not have parts or are we credited from Sig Sauer for replacement issues. sigsauer.com has an airgun warranty section for issues.


    Thank you,

    Sales Department
    Airguns of Arizona
    1970 W Elliot Rd Suite 109
    Gilbert, AZ 85233
    480.461.1113

    Well that’s the after sales service you can expect from AOA I guess
     
  17. Steve Milbocker

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    Well the pistol is on its way back to Sig. Adam Hayden in customer service was very helpful and emailed a return label minutes after talking with him. I expect this issue will be resolved ASAP... I hope:)
     
  18. cslinger

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    Good to know they sent you a label without any issue.
     
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    So I ran another 60 or shots through mine today. I was looking for the malfunction/break that you had and so far all good in the hood. The trigger still has a bit too much take up and breaks a bit too far back but other than that I have had no issues and I love shooting the thing.

    I say that to hopefully give you hope that once your issue is addressed you will have a solid gun.

    Of course we all know that after this post mine will break the next time out. :D
     
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    I must have Buzzard Luck these days. Blew a seal on my beloved FWB 300S yesterday. I guess 43 years of outstanding accuracy was just too much to ask for:) She'll be on her way to David Slade shortly for an overhaul.
     
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    That sucks but that’s honest wear.

    Conversely I shot one of the best airgun groups of my life yesterday, with a gun I have not had out in a long time or shot much while forgetting to turn my target lighting on. Total blind squirrel / nut moment. I got pictures and logged em as soon as I could because I don’t have skill or ability to do that stuff on a regular basis so looking back at the pictures makes me feel good. :)
     
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    cslinger thank you for the write-up on your sig. I keep looking at different pellet pistols but never seem to buy any. I've used a izh-46m for too many years, they're just too hard to put down and a harder act to follow.
     
  23. Steve Milbocker

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    Got a new replacement from Sig today. No letter telling me anything just a new gun. Can’t beat that I guess. Hopefully this one will be trouble free
     
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    Looks like fun. I have a weihrach hw40 that I have had for a long time. I remember it costing around $100, and the beeman P3 was the same gun imported under a different brand for about $200. Now either one appears to be well over $200.
    The manual of arms on these single stroke pneumatics doesn't make them the best practice for firearms but they are a ton of fun to shoot. I have a pellet tin lid hanging from a gate on a piece of baling wire and shoot my hw 40 for a couple min several times a week here lately. On a good day I can hit the pellet tin lid about 4 out of 5 shots at 40 feet standing 2 handed (we won't talk about a bad day). The accuracy of these guns amazes me.
     
  25. cslinger

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    Thought I would post a followup since Steve had issues with his ASP early on. Mine continues to show no mechanical issues or problems. I took the day off today and spent a good portion of my day playing with the airguns. I had the the ASP out and it did rather well, at least as far as this shooter is concerned.

    35' from target, offhand.
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