New Sniper Rifle

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It seems to me that someone should just go the extra step and make an AR in .300 WM.
 
there are a couple good reasons for this

a. it's harder to identify a designated marksman
b. familiarity, muscle memory is the same, the weapon is set up the same all around, makes training easier
 
The caliber is refered to by the military as 7.62 NATO, commerical is 308 Winchester. One like this will set you back about 3k with all the stuff.
 

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I am on my 5th tour in Iraq and work out in "Indian" country, not sitting on some FOB. While home on break, the Government sent me to Reed Knights to attend the SR25/M110 armorers and operators course. I can personally attest to the effectiveness of the SR25 system over the M24 in practical application.


As much as I enjoy fine bolt action precision rifles, the SR25 has them beat hands down when it comes to use in the field.
 
IV, I'm glad to see you guys are getting what you need over there. Can't thank you and all your brethren enough for what you are doing for us back here at home. We'll keep the light on. ;)

Now, where can I dig up $3,000? :D
 
elmerfud, hey Dpms does make a 300wsm AR they shoot for crap.
its the millitary trying to fix what isnt broke again. the M24, M40-A1 are all very capable of the mission they are built for, the fast follow up shots are for the new age recruit who's rifle and marksmenship are not what they once were, its they mass produced single minded training the military wants. i served not that long ago and although i respect and admire anyone willing to volenteer for the armed services but every year you see it:banghead: less and less emphisis on riflery it drives me crazy. well we got to make everyone feel special,
 
1911shooter, have you actually been out there? You're actually saying that these "new age recruits" have substandard marksmanship and therefore aren't capable of using the M24 and M40A1 (it's been replaced by the M0A3) to make quick follow up shots? So when did they lower the standards in sniper school? Right after you got out?

You really need to wake up and stop spewing such nonsense. I could post more but I'm seeing red at this point.
 
I'll take IV's word for it...

How has reliabilty been so far, anyone know?

oops, please to excuse double post... :eek:
 
Little Lebowski,

Don't bother getting upset over vitriolic diatribe. For starters, one should consider that the vast majority of the armed forces deployed to theaters do not actually do the war fighting. They are there to support the small handfull of war fighters.

I get the impression that 1911 shooter is/was not a sniper or designated marksman. I also get the impression that E101 is a class he has not yet taken.

This is not to say that the support elements do not serve a critical role, because they do. Without the support of good mechanics, engineers, etc, etc, it would not be possible for those who actually do fight, to do so effectively.

Good mechanics are my personal heros. Having a vehicle go down while on a mission is ugly and puts everyones lives at risk.

That being said, I read a lot of nonsense from active or former service members on the internet who think that because they are/were in Iraq that that somehow makes them salty combat vets:rolleyes: and somehow qualified to make statements like the garbage that was posted above.

That sounds like possibly the case here.

In my humble opinion, they should simply be proud of the non combat job they do and do it to the best of their ability.

Here is something to ponder relative to the discussion on the semi automatic sniper system:

Perhaps the idea of a semi auto precision rifle is not to shoot more, but to have to manipulate the rifle less in a compressed time frame, with multiple adversaries.
 
IV Troop
Well put. I too must say thanks for your "taking care of bidness"
A fact that is all to often forgot is that the rights and privilges we today enjoy, and as Americans take for granted were not won by lawyers, attorneys, lobbyists, politicians or even reporters. Our rights and privilges were won and protected by Americans with guns! Thanks again IV Troop and all those like you, past , present and future.
What do you get when you combine courage, compassion, understanding and righteousness?
THE USA !
GOD BLESS AMERICA AND ALL OUR SOLIDERS
 
One thing about the Stoner system is that its gas impingment system has fewer moving parts than the M-14. This makes the harmonics more consistent and the more consistent, the more reliable. I'm glad we're getting an AR type 7.62mm Nato weapon into the hands of our snipers. I hope the day will come when each platoon has one. This doesn't mean we should discard our bolt guns and they should also be retained.

BTW, I concur with IV Troop in that non-frontline soldiers also play a crucial role in the war. Whether its a fuel specialist or truck mechanic, all contribute to the winning team we know as our Armed Forces.

God Bless all those who have served and all those who are currently serving.

LittleLebowski - I enjoyed that clip that had your brother. My thanks to him. If you've got time, print out Bedtime Stories or Sharpshooter Tales and send it to him (it's easier than reading it on-line as access time is limited). He'll enjoy the stories of his predecessors picking off their adversaries from afar.
 
It's nice to know other people feel the way I do about the advantages of the Armalite and Knights over the M14. I got banned by a website for speaking heresy of the advantages of the AR platform over the older M-14.
I love my M1A's but after owning an Armalite M4 in .308 for the last year I have to say the Armalite is wonderful platform for a combat sniper rifle.
I am planning on getting a full length version with the flat top in the next few months. :evil:
 
its the millitary trying to fix what isnt broke again. the M24, M40-A1 are all very capable of the mission they are built for, the fast follow up shots are for the new age recruit who's rifle and marksmenship are not what they once were, its they mass produced single minded training the military wants. i served not that long ago and although i respect and admire anyone willing to volenteer for the armed services but every year you see it less and less emphisis on riflery it drives me crazy. well we got to make everyone feel special,
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it is a fact that the army and other branches don't focus on shooting, and trainning with thier assigned weapons like the should, but the above posters are correct the m24 have thier place but the sass is where it is, precision semi auto is the way to go in the urban enviornments, and of all the time that i have spent in the sandbox has been in urban areas, i would rather have the 20rd mag semi auto over the bolt gun in any of the sittuations in which i have been. good shooting skills or not there are better tools for the job sometimes.
 
I got to poke around a SR-25 at a gun show the other week. Seems like a very nice piece; however, it is worth the extra $$$ over an Armalite or DPMS that does the same thing?
 
Speaking from personal experience, the Marine Corps takes marksmanship seriously.
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Outside of SOCOM units, none of the services, USMC included, was very serious about combat marksmanship prior to the GWOT, but they've all been trying to play catch up in a pretty big way since 9/11.
 
I can't speak for all other services or units but 3/1 and 1st LAR did alright in my book, Horse Soldier.

SpeedAKL, nope. Get the DPMS. SR25s are way behind on production and not worth the extra money or hassle.
 
USMC gun fighting rule # 9
9. Accuracy is relative: most combat shooting standards will be more
dependent on "pucker factor"
than the inherent accuracy of the gun.
#10
10. Use! a gun that works EVERY TIME. "All skill is in vain when someone
pisses in the flintlock of
your musket."
 
elmerfud, hey Dpms does make a 300wsm AR they shoot for crap.
its the millitary trying to fix what isnt broke again. the M24, M40-A1 are all very capable of the mission they are built for, the fast follow up shots are for the new age recruit who's rifle and marksmenship are not what they once were, its they mass produced single minded training the military wants. i served not that long ago and although i respect and admire anyone willing to volenteer for the armed services but every year you see it less and less emphisis on riflery it drives me crazy. well we got to make everyone feel special,
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I love bolt actions myself and generally am not too enthusiastic about the AR design, but I think that in the particular case of sniper rifles or DMR's it's a fantastic platform. It may not be the most reliable design, but it's the most inherently accurate semi-auto out there and our soldiers are telling us that semi-auto's give them the ability to engage more of the enemy more quickly. I'll take their word for it.

Apparently they are using these rifles more in a designated marksman role and are taking on multiple insurgents rather than as snipers assassinating a particular high value target.

Still, it seems to me that the .308 is a somewhat mediocre cartridge for a sniper rifle.
 
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