New Springfield EMP!

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EMP vs Para?

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Great thread. Has anyone done any sort of comparison between the EMP and Para's Carry 9? Im sorta curious about how these two pistols stack up against eachother? Anyone shot or own both?
 
Got an EMP for the wife last Wed. Tax out the door at $1000 :what:

Took it to the range this Saturday and it was very nice. After hearing about the "tightness" which may require some working out, I only purchased FMJ-RN ammo. Put 200 rounds through without 1 failure. Shot very nice and accurate. We'll put another 1-200 through before trying different ammo; possibly some reloads and factory self-defense rounds.

So far, it has been wonderful :D
 
I now have about 1,000 rds in my EMP and it is functioning fine. The problem, it is shooting high. Not only for me, but for several pretty good shooters where I work. Contacted SA and they are sending a set of sights, hopefully that is all it is. :D
 
Grrrrrr ... just got word today that my EMP will be four months minimum from their Custom Shop and they will be unable to do the short trigger. Oh well, gotta wait in line. It should get here about the same time as the Milt Sparks holster.
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It seems that the "four to six month" estimate is a standard response. I walked in to my shop today to pick up some miscellaneous items and the guy behind the counter said, "Hold on, I have something for you." He came out with the EMP I ordered for my wife. I never saw a bigger smile on my wife's face outside the bedroom, that is, until she picked it up. Pictures (of the gun) and range report to follow.
 
Y'all's shoot high, mine shoots low. The shots impact about level with the front dot, or about 2" low at 10 yards. Like y'all, I have had others shoot it and get the same result.

Given that the mags are rather unique, use the coupon and buy plenty of extra mags. The discount is fairly significant, but a one time shot.
 
The fatal jam...

OK, so it happened to me :fire:

After feeding a couple of hundred rounds of FMJ-RN though my EMP with no problems, I tried to load some 124 gr JHP into my gun and ... JAM

I can't open my slide. The cartridge is jammed firmly inside.

I own a Springfield Ultra Carry, which is identical in design as the EMP, so as I am am familiar with detail stripping my gun I removed the hammer and trigger so it couldn't go bang :what:

After stripping the frame, I can see the cartridge up in the slide, but alas, I can't get it to budge.

I just sent an email out to Springfield, hopping that they will cover this repair, since the loads were standard JHP and the gun shouldn't jam on standard issue!

Any ideas?
 
Well, if you can't fix it, get a bigger hammer!

I pounded it into submission.

The offending round is .389" at the case mouth, within the factory spec of .391 at the case mouth, according to the Lyman Reloading Handbook. My rounds that were firing without jamming were .385!

This barrel is definitely too small as the round that jammed was within spec. I'll be sending this back to Springfield to adjust or replace as necessary, especially since I scratched my brand new gun during this process :cuss:

Well, it's a relief that I got the round out of my chamber :cool:
 
Read back on my EMP. I had the same problem. It is flawless since coming back from Springfield. They are cutting the EMP chambers to minimum SAMMI spec so if the reamer gets dull..........under SAMMI spec we go.:banghead:

But they will fix it, and like I said, mine has been flawless since then.:)
 
Wife and I went out to shoot one night last week. It just doesn't like HP's. It has jammed with Hornady TAP's and Winchester Silvertips. I'd really like to carry JHP's for self-defense. At least the first shot will be HP and 9 hardballs after that. Fuctions flawlessly on hardball and accuracy is awesome.
 
Her I was thinking that colt had invented this pocket sized 1911 in 9mm quite some time ago. here is a real one you can buy for half the price of the springfield
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i guess you could call it the original small 1911 if you don't mind the missing grip or thumb safety and the DOA trigger...but then you'd be disreguarding the Star BKM
 
From the SA Custom Shop .... checkered under the trigger guard and frontstrap, removed ILS, reliability package, trigger/action job, here it is ....
 

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I thought about getting one

I did get to inspect a SA EMP at a gun shop. I held it, and it felt great in the hand. Nice and slim, smaller and more concealable than my Glock 26. I was planning on buying one, started shopping for the best price was until I started reading these and others:

It just doesn't like HP's. It has jammed with Hornady TAP's and Winchester Silvertips. I'd really like to carry JHP's for self-defense.

AND

OK, so it happened to me

After feeding a couple of hundred rounds of FMJ-RN though my EMP with no problems, I tried to load some 124 gr JHP into my gun and ... JAM

I can't open my slide. The cartridge is jammed firmly inside.


I guess I will stick with my flawlessly operating twin H&K USP Compacts in .45 Caliber for daily carry, or the Glock 26 (again, flawlessly operating) for a small 9mm, when the mood strikes me. (I know it is only a matter of time until I get a hiccup with one of these, but smooth sailing so far...)

Seems like I always hear about most semi auto problems being with 1911's.
My only 1911 experience, Para Ordnance 1911 has never had a jam, failure to feed, etc. either. Just a tad large for everyday carry.
If they ever work out the bugs, then maybe an SA EMP will be in my future.

Baldy
 
I'd like to see one made with a regular non-ambi safety, a trigger not adjustable for overtravel and maybe the whole thing parkerized or melonite coated...and for about $100-$200 less. Shoot, even put lil GI sights on it. Oh and maybe have the mainspring housing bobbed or at least a little rounded like Kimber's RCP .45.
 
A well-known instructor just posted some comments on the EMP on his website. Anyone else see these comments? Seems like a bit-o-work was needed on the tiny gun.
 
A well-known instructor just posted some comments on the EMP on his website. Anyone else see these comments? Seems like a bit-o-work was needed on the tiny gun.
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name? link? Would be interested in reading them.
 
I typed an entire response and apparently I took too long to post it. I had to log back in and lost my entire post. I will not retype the entire thing except to say that I paid through the nose and got what I paid for .....

250 rounds of FMJ and JHP so far with not a single failure of any kind (yet)
hits to point of aim
trigger breaks like glass
puts 5 rounds inside of 1.25" at 30 feet from a sandbag rest


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Contacted Springfield Armory directly (literature was unclear) and was told that +P ammunition is NOT recommended for the EMP.
 
TA4, thanks. The article says:

I test-fired the gun in the condition it arrived, and experienced several failures to feed. Rounds were stopping on the feed ramp. After cleaning out grit and metal shavings and generally slicking it up, reliability problems disappeared.
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That is exactly where mine is hanging up. I hate to take a Dremel to this thing (to polish the ramp). I am content to shoot hardball for now but may have it done by a pistolsmith or Springfield.
 
V1.0 of anything is problematic. This thread isn't necessarily a great advertisement for the EMP. When enough people have put at least a thousand rounds through an EMP, when it's thoroughly broken in, we will have a clearer idea of whether this design is a success or not or just another sexy curiosity lacking "street cred" in the reliability department.

In the meantime there's the "ugly" but dependable G26 for half the money.
 
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