New suppressor line from ASA: .223 and .308 cans

[Sharpie443]

I don't normally talk about ASA unless someone asks me about our econo cans or something but I thought some people on THR might be interested in this. We are about to launch our new line of suppressors and we went out today to do some testing. I do all the film work and editing so basically I'm showing you what i did at work today.

We tested them on two m-16s, an Ar-10, and my H&R .223 brake action.

We had a DB meter with us and the results were impressive. Hope you like the video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftqPlzK6Idc&feature=g-u-u

 

[RhinoDefense]

How long are the cans? They look longer than average.

 

[BLAKEinTX]

The RadioShack meter was a nice touch lol

 

[Sharpie443]

It was all we had. The $300 db meter was about an hours drive from where we were at. We borrowed that one.

 

[Swing]

Thanx for the heads up.

 

[crazy-mp]

I am surprised you guys can sell these suppressors, hope this does not hurt your military contract.

Your claiming 77 db reduction, the top preforming cans in the market are only getting 30-33, yours is more than double that around the 2:00 minute mark in your video.

Further, MIL-STD-1474D has specific requirements for metering equipment, which eliminates the Radio Shack types of meters.

The standard location for sound measurement is 1 meter to the left of the muzzle at 90 degrees to the bore axis and 1.6 meters above grass. This is the location that most in the US use. A second location, which is used to simulate the shooter's ear, is 1 meter from the muzzle at an angle back from the bore axis of 45 degrees.

 

[Sharpie443]

yes but like i said this was just a quick shooting session not a real trial. You're taking this more seriously than we were. That reading was from four feet at least.

 

[highorder]

You're taking this more seriously than we were.

Customers are familiar with the standards the industry uses. You'll need to conform to customer expectations and be willing to answer questions if you hope to sell product. Especially considering the cost and complexity of NFA purchases.

 

[Sharpie443]

Yes and we will release all that before they hit the market. They arn't even for sale yet and will not be for a few months after we release the final data on them. This is a side project for ASA just like the econo can adapters we sell. When Chris Reed is happy with them we will take them out for a proper trial. This video is just us screwing around in an empty cow field. Chris has gotten a lot of positive feedback from people who have tried them out.

 

[crazy-mp]

This video is just us screwing around in an empty cow field.

You took the time to edit it to show your "data" and suppressed vs. unsuppressed shooting you would have been better off making a teaser video saying this is our new can suppressed *poof* and this is unsuppressed *BANG* side by side same host weapon.

data will follow soon....

 

[RhinoDefense]

Oh, wait, you guys are the same outfit with that stupid oil filter suppressor? Ha, ha. No thanks. Not ever.

You guys should read up on the definition of a silencer before you get your customers in trouble.

 

[JTW Jr.]

You guys should read up on the definition of a silencer before you get your customers in trouble.

I thought the adapter was the part of that setup that was registered as the suppressor?

 

[BLAKEinTX]

I was just breaking their balls about the radioshack meter

That meter only runs in the A scale i believe not the C scale thats needed to rate a can for reduction

4ft is like 1.3m so its pretty close to a meter like what the MILSTD calls for

The oil filter suppressor is a nifty little novelty i built one just to try it out (I can do it im a 07/02) but a true muzzle can is way better

This video is just us screwing around in an empty cow field

 

[RhinoDefense]

I thought the adapter was the part of that setup that was registered as the suppressor?

27 CFR 478.11 Firearm muffler or firearm silencer. Any device for silencing, muffling, or diminishing the report of a portable firearm, including any combination of parts, designed or redesigned, and intended for use in assembling or fabricating a firearm silencer or firearm muffler, and any part intended only for use in such assembly or fabrication.

The "adapter" is a registered silencer. When you add an oil filter to it in order to make it suppress the sound signature, you are using a part that is redesigned and intended for use in assembling or fabricating a silencer, thus it's a silencer part and a silencer part will cost you a $200 tax if you're not an 02 SOT.

The "adapter" doesn't reduce the sound signature, only the addition of the oil filter does, and that means you are manufacturing a silencer because you are combining parts to suppress the sound signature.

Basically they are selling a threaded adapter that forces their customer to break federal law to further complete the manufacture of a suppressor.

 

[Ranb]

From what I have read the oil filter is a comsumable part like a wipe but I am not sure. The BATFE allows wipe replacement as long as the original one is destroyed first.

Ranb

 

[RhinoDefense]

I don't think it would be since the adapter itself doesn't reduce the sound signature itself, it must rely on other parts added to the adapter in order for it to work.

 

[crazy-mp]

If this adapter is the registered part whats to say the P22 thread adapter, Sig Thread adapters, even the 1/2 X 28 - 5/8 X 24, thread adapters should not be registered? The regulations suggest the engraving should be on the tube of the suppressor.

 

[RhinoDefense]

I think the reason being is a thread adapter for a barrel can be used for other things, but the oil can suppressor adapter is only for one thing.

There was talk about standardizing the engraving location to be the tube of the suppressor, since in the ATF's view, that's akin to the frame or receiver of a firearm. Not sure where it went though.

 

[sawdeanz]

I don't think it would be since the adapter itself doesn't reduce the sound signature itself, it must rely on other parts added to the adapter in order for it to work.

You could say the same the same about wipes though since you need them to actually supress the noise also

 

[sawdeanz]

Double post

 

[RhinoDefense]

You could say the same the same about wipes though since you need them to actually supress the noise also

No, wipes increase the suppression. The suppressor without wipes is already quiet. Wipes make it quieter.

The adapter doesn't make it quiet. The oil can on the adapter makes it quiet. Big difference.