New Taurus lineup?

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RE. Taurus autos.

In the past most with experience with the metal framed guns were extremely happy. They are very reliable, durable and accurate.

Taurus did have some major problems with the original Millenium line. The .45acp had frame cracks develop very commonly and the 9mm and .40S&W pretty commonly had pins shear.

As a result few people who regularly visit gun forums buy them so it is hard to tell if they have truely fixed the problem (kinda like Consumer Reports readers stopped buying Hyundai after the early ones had tons of problems- Hyundai now makes a much better car but Consumer Reports can't comment on their reliability because not enough of their readers buy them to get good survey results). Anyway, those who do have more recent Millenium guns, or who kept the old ones after the fix, mostly report that the problem seems fixed.

Comments about the new guns:
-Because of the problems w/ the early Millenium guns and distrust of the new ones I think revamping the line is a good idea. I don't expect any problems with these and hope to get one next summer (since I have other priorities first). By then hopefully some people will have bought them and the "controversy" will be put to rest.

-The new polymer mid-sized frame gun, the 24/7 (hate the name), sounds interesting. Seems like a perfect light weight police duty gun or civilian CCW.

-I'm very interested in their new .22lr target pistol. I am not that big a fan of the Ruger MkII or 22/45 (sacrilige, I know) or the S&W 22 and there are never many Buckmarks around here so this is a welcome alternative.

-I am very excited to see the new series of 9mm snubs (I know this is the auto section, sorry). I've wanted a 9mm snub since my 605 didn't work out (too much weight IMO for only .38 and+P use, to light for defensive use of .357mag). I figure 9mm in a snub should be similiar in recoil to .38 or maybe .38+P, while being much more powerful (9mm seems to lose far less velocity in a short barrel than revolver calibers), in fact the better loads should be simliar to .357mag power out of snubs. Not to mention, I absolutely love 9mm- very versatile (really cheap practice loadings, very good defensive loadings, very powerful +Ps).
 
I'll add my experience. I own a PT145 made in the middle of 2002. I haven't had any problems with it. I have been very pleased with it.

If you do some searching, I don't think anyone has had problem with one that has been manufactured towards the last half of 2002.
 
I'm just beginning to see the Millenium Pro 111s (9mm) at showns. I'll be picking up a recent vintage PT145 (not a Pro) in a couple of weeks to see if I can manage to destroy it. I looked at a couple of PT-111 Pros over the weekend. Looks like they updated the frame so that it looks just like the PT145 frame (that's good, the old style looked kind of cheap). From what I've been able to gather, it will be the end of the summer before the .45 is available. I expect that this will end up like the new Kel-Tec .380 which was promised by the middle of this month (and nobody's seen them). No matter, if they did their homework and the gun if better for the wait, I've got no beef with it. I plan on getting a Pro in .45 maybe early next year. Let's just hope my forthcoming experience with my 145 doesn't poison my attitude.
 
The ones I played with at SHOT this year had noticeably better triggers, especially the new 24/7's.

Since the old ones had triggers like trying to pull a piano along a gravel road with your finger, this is welcome.
 
Ill have to comment on this one...alot of negative stuff has been read/posted/thrown around on every forum about Taurus's misfortunes. Ill bet aside from the PT poly gun probs and the customer service probs, the guns have a "typical of any maker" failure ratio......Ive had beyond excellent luck with my guns in all regards.
The fact that they revamped the PT Poly line with the newer design, better trigger and other improvements...pretty much shows you that they actually listen to their customers....The fixed all of the problems Ive heard about..and then some.
The 9mm snub (40 S&W in the future) is another breath of fresh air.....Personally, I will own one of these....a nice Pocket carry to go along with the PCR/Compact. Its about time someone listened to the CCW cry for a new production 9mm snubby.
Shoot well
 
You guys are starting to wear on me I think. I'm starting to wonder if the bad taste I've developed for Taurus autos is justified. The main thing for me though is story after story that I've heard about their poor customer service. This has apparently not changed that much as I heard another one very recently that made me glad it wasn't me. The only way the guy could ever get anything done was to talk to the head of customer service. Everyone else was very rude and never had accurate info.

My only experience with gun mnftr. customer service was when S&W replaced the faulty barrel on my Sigma .40 (it's been flawless since then BTW) and they had it fixed and back to me within a week. Very helpful and informative through the whole process.

Anyway, that's my feeling on it but I'd possibly be willing to give them a chance if I found myself in the right circumstance (I don't normally speak in rhyme...at least not all the time).

brad cook
 
THIS JUST IN.........

Spotted a Millenium Pro PT-145 at the Hampton, VA gunshow today. Cost was $379 in stainless. A regular PT-145 was sitting next to it for the same price. I did a quick (busy table) side-by-side and really didn't see that much difference (looked like there was some difference in take-down lever (or whatever it is called) and the slide stop). There were no mags in the guns so I didn't get a chance to compare.
 
I had a PT-111 that ran thru probably 700 rounds with no problems at all. I let all the bad press on the internet spook me into selling when I should have held. Trigger was pretty good after a couple of hundred rounds and accuracy always suprised me. If I did my part it was hard to tell by group size at 7 yards from my Glock 17.
 
I just got back from one of the regular gunshows in the area. I saw no eveidence of a Millenium Pro in any caliber. My gun guy can get one for me thru Davidson's. I think I am going to wait til the night sighted version is available and then support the local economy. I saw a few plain Milleniums and some older PT-145's. Saw too many cheapie guns. Overall, a quick trip and found nothing I couldn't live without.
 
I visited the website. Nice!

It looks like Taurus is coming out with a new .22LR target pistol to go up against the Ruger MkII.

Check it out:

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http://www.taurususa.com/products/product-details.cfm?model=922MB6AS&category=Pistol
 
Just seen a .45 millenium pro in the gunshop today. But I didnt get to handle it cause the place was so darn busy. Musta been 40 people in there.

IT was tagged for$405.
 
I saw one dealer who had Millenium Pro .45s at the last gunshow 2 weeks ago. He had them priced at $370 (he's usually a little low compared to other dealers - I expect the others to carry it for about $20 more). I just bought a PT-145 and I honestly couldn't tell the difference between the two unless I had an example of each side by side. The 9mm and .40 Pros are easy to distinguish - the frame looks just like more recent vintage model PT-145s. I wonder if the .45s Millenium and Millienium Pros use the same mags. I'm going to shoot the hell out of my Millenium and see how it goes. If I don't have any problems by 1000 rounds, who knows, I might just buy a Pro also. It would be an added plus if the mags interchange (retail is $40 each and you only get one with the gun :what: ). I can't say I particularly care for the takedown procedure on the Millenium series guns or the wishy-washy reassembly instructions, but I like the overall design and hope to see it succeed.

I doubt I'll be getting any of the other calibers. The only purpose for these guns is concealed carry and my G26 has the Millenium Pro 9mm beaten hands down.
 
I just got off the line with Taurus customer service. They said the Millenium Pro with night sights (PT-145) should start shipping next week. Yippee! On the downside, they said the mags for it are unique. Only Millenium Pro mags will fit, not regular PT-145 or plain Millenium mags.
 
I own a new Taurus PT-111 Millenium Pro - it's a great gun, and it feels better in your hand than anything else I've tried including my Glock 19. See the range report I posted a couple months ago - do a search for "Millenium Pro" and you'll find it.

The trigger pull has been dramatically improved over the old one; many other fixes to the issues that people raised about the original Millenium line. I now have over 700 rounds through it without the first feeding or firing problem - eats anything I put through it. It's my primary carry gun, and I couldn't be happier with it.
 
Taurus PT-111 Pro

Hi All:

The Taurus PT-111 Pro has apparently righted all of its past wrongs. It now comes with a dual recoil pin for better handling of recoil. It comes with, as others have said, the ribber grip. It comes with easier to see sights for a better sight picture. It also has beter serations in the slide improving the grip. They also state that it has a recessed mag release. I do not know why they changed this. I have never heard anyone say that they had the magazine accidentally release on them. I have heard that the magazines rattle like crazy.

The one thing I can say that I am disappointed in is the fact that no one has molds to make holsters for the Pro yet. It is about an 1/8" smaller in width than the original. Taurus should have been proactive and given the dummy gun blanks out months ago. A concealed carry piece does not do much good unless you have a holster.

Still, the Pro may live up to its name. I am most likely going to buy one, if I do, I will let you all know how she does.

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I have been patiently waiting for the PT-145 Millenium Pro in stainless to become available with night sights. Now I see the website says it will be available in 4th quarter of 2003. What gives? Why the delay? How long does it take to put different sights on it? What's the hold-up?:confused:
 
Sights

Grayrock:

The sights are different on the Pro than on the standard. They were suppose to have it out by now but, my guess is that they had some trouble with their suppliers. I do not know who is making the night sights for Taurus on this on but I do know this much, I contacted every manufacturer of night sights and asked about the Pro series and they all said the same thing, we do not make night sights for that line.

I saw the prototype last week, it does look sharp. I did not see any markings on the night sights to tell who was making them.
 
I own and carry a PT111. I checked put a new 111 pro the other day and didn't really care for it.
1 It's heavy. As much empty as my old one is loaded.
2 Larger. no thanks.
3 Didn't feel as balanced as the older one.
I would say that the trigger is smoother than mine was when new and the mag release is improved.
The trigger and the mag release were the only problems I had with mine. Over the last year I solved those problems anyway. I'll keep my year old PT111 thank you.
:)
 
The PT111 is the one Ive had the most experience with.....hell, Taurus even sent me a free one..........LOL. NO, I didnt keep it. :rolleyes:

The trigger was horrid..........If its worse than a CZ100...well, need I say more? The guns internals were rough and looks thrown togethor.......

In defence of the little guns, now....Ive shot one that was very very nice.

The Pro seems to have righted all previous wrongs with the PT's....I think the Pro may give Taurus back some of the credibility they lost with the original line up.....but not all. Thats just how the world works............

Id like a PT145 Pro Ti with nights..........good little CCW.

Shootw ell
 
NS?

Grayrock:

I would email him to see if he actually had it or if he said he did because of the supposed release date. I just checked with five distributors and none of them had it. Also, just so you know, if he is charging 10% over invoice, he is paying alot more than I am. My price for that pistol, if they had it would be $351.00. Add $10 to $20 for shipping and it would be up to $371 max. That would put the price to $408 not $464. I could find other things to spend that $56 on.

If you are interested, I will ask the supplier to call me when they become available in the STS with NS.
 
For anyone interested in the problems with the Millenium Pistols and particularly the Millenium PT145, the matter was pretty well covered in the following threads on the old TFL site.

http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=1305038#post1305038

and

http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=1317961#post1317961

Incidentally, the so called "frame crack" problem with the PT145 was actually a problem with the polymer grip that was cracking - not the frame. IMHO the problem was not as serious as some would indicate. There were reports of shooting ranges continuing to rent guns with cracked grips without any apparent incident.

It appears that these problems were solved by Taurus in the latter part of 2001 and I am not aware of these problems in any pistols made in 2002 and later.

A review of the posts on the above threads will also provide info on how to tell when these guns were made from the code included in their serial numbers.
 
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