New Tisas (Turkish) M1911A1

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Not a big 1911 guy, but Bud's had this for $367 so I took the plunge. This is Tisas' "US Army, wood grips" iteration (of which they have several). Enclosed tag says " Forged frame and slide, Series 70 internals, hardened before machined". Not sure if that last bit is anything relevant, though. Barrel is CHF.

Finish is an attractive (to me, anyway) gray Cerakote which is supposed to be reminiscent of older finishes. I talked to one guy I know who is somewhat of a 1911 buff, and he said the Cerakote (instead of actual Parkerizing) was a deal breaker for him. I guess the purists like what they like. Grips are advertised as Turkish walnut.

Slide markings read "MODEL 1911A1 US ARMY". Probably not historically accurate but I'm fine with it.

All in all, if it shoots as well as it looks it should be a winner. When I picked it up from my FFL, he thought it was an $800 gun.


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Just an FYI. Tisas Cerakote is done over Parkerizing. Your friend might want to reconsider.

And machining after hardening is both an asset and also really increases production costs. For example the machining tools need to be replaced far more often since they are machining hardened steel.
 
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I have several Tisas 1911s, two of the specific model you have pictured, and I like them very much. Shooting them side by side with my Springfield and Colt government models they hold their own very nicely. The Tisas has cycled every type of ammo I've fed it, even some my other 1911s have balked at.

Both of my 1911A1 Army Tisas models were accurate right out of the box. I have spent some time oiling and re-oiling the finish to get it to the protective sheen I like. I have no complaints and think the Tisas is a good value for a basic govt model 1911.
 
I just picked up that model (in 9mm) and a Tank Commander in 45 a little while back here. So far, Im pretty happy with them both.

The 9mm is a bit different as it has a ramped barrel as opposed to the Colt/GI style, but with mags it likes, its been OK. The 45 has the original barrel design and works well too.

Neither of them has been a 100%, but more like 98%, and most of that seems to be mag issues. I was just shooting the Commnader this morning and had a couple of stoppages out of 100 rounds, which so far seems to be the norm. Thats shooting my reloads and with a mix of different mags too, and Im not saying my reloads dont have issues from time to time, as I load them to failure, and the rims get tore up. If youre shooting SWC's, you may need to tweak the OAL to get them to run OK, my Commander was a bit picky there. Normal ball profile bullets seem to work fine.

The Ceracote seems to be holding up well too. I was wondering how that was going to go. Only see some minor wear, and thats on the rails. They did a pretty good job with getting the color/finish looking close. Its not park, at least on the surface, but if you didnt know or care.... I really dont, as long as it holds up.

All in all, Im liking what Im seeing with the Tisas's. If I were going to carry one, Id send it out for a "reliability package" job, like I would any other 1911 though.
 
The fitted case w/ accessories is more interesting to me than the gun. The RIA (Philippines) and the AO / Kahr (U.S. made) are enough for economical 1911 clones. I might be interested if the Tisas was not Ceracoated, and did not have a lowered ejection port.
 
The fitted case w/ accessories is more interesting to me than the gun. The RIA (Philippines) and the AO / Kahr (U.S. made) are enough for economical 1911 clones. I might be interested if the Tisas was not Ceracoated, and did not have a lowered ejection port.
Remember it is Cerakote over Parkerization and they will have a closer to 1911 rather than 1911A1 this year. Raised ejection port and slim hammer and maybe even authentic roll marks.
 
I asked Tisas about the steel used in their 1911 and it is good stuff. A Tisas rep on 1911forum claimed the steel is already hard when machined. That is good as heat treatment after machining will often cause warpage. Heck, the WW2 1911's were only heat treated two inches back from the muzzle, so the front of the slide would not break off on recoil!

The prices on these were so reasonable I purchased two. Maybe 500 rounds through both, now the the weather is getting warmer, I will be at the range blasting some more. I have been very pleased with my groups, with irons, with my 1911's, and they are exactly what I wanted: series 70, military configuration except for better sights.

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shoots well up close

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I am keeping them on a pie plate, offhand, one handed, at 25 yards. That's not bad for me.

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This was a great load in all my 1911's.

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Unlike my RIA 1911, these TISAS barrels are not horribly leading. The RIA, still after several ammunition boxes of FMJ, are still FMJ only. The barrel throat leads too much.

Just lube the heck out of your TISAS and take it to the range. These semi auto's always function better when well lubricated.
 
I have several Tisas 1911s, two of the specific model you have pictured, and I like them very much. Shooting them side by side with my Springfield and Colt government models they hold their own very nicely. The Tisas has cycled every type of ammo I've fed it, even some my other 1911s have balked at.

Both of my 1911A1 Army Tisas models were accurate right out of the box. I have spent some time oiling and re-oiling the finish to get it to the protective sheen I like. I have no complaints and think the Tisas is a good value for a basic govt model 1911.

I'll second that. Great value for the money. No complaints here.
 
Take advantage of the economic situation of Turkey! what’s a $1 here is dinner there, but for how long? Hoping to get 2-3 more base model 1911’s from T-Sauce
 
TISAS does an incredible case, the snaps are substantial and very sure--better than on some toolboxes out there.
I wonder who makes the case. It turns out that some of the proprietary cases used by RIA, Sig Sauer, etc. are made by IMI in Israel. They put whatever company's logo is requested on their standard case. The same cutout in the foam is used for 1911's as well as M17's / M18's.
 
Take advantage of the economic situation of Turkey! what’s a $1 here is dinner there, but for how long? Hoping to get 2-3 more base model 1911’s from T-Sauce
The exchange rate might be affected by the Turkish elections coming up in May or June. The latest polling shows that Erdogan might be in trouble. The problem is that the main opposition leader, Kilicdaroglu, is more of an out-of-control nationalist than Erdogan is.
 
But how do you remove the Cerakote without affecting the Parkerizing?
You don't. Bead blast and re park.

Paint over park has been used by a number of countries and is a very effective way to protect the gun. Subjected to hard use, and things tend to get ugly though.
 
military configuration except for better sights.
And also the beveled and lowered ejection port. All the makers offering "GI" 1911's can't seem to leave well enough alone. They all let various "improvements" sneak into the product. Taurus, in Brazil, is probably the worst offender. None of their products comes within a country mile of resembling a WW2 gun. But I guess the "improvements" are what sell, and what differentiate them from the others.
 
Paint over park has been used by a number of countries and is a very effective way to protect the gun. Subjected to hard use, and things tend to get ugly though.
The British were famous for this, particularly for Lend-Lease guns that they got from the U.S.

My M3 Greasegun was a Lend-Lease gun. When I first laid eyes on it, it was covered with that notorious British black paint. While we were waiting for ATF transfer approval, I had the dealer strip the paint and re-Parkerize. Here's what it looks like after the refinish. (You will notice that the barrel and wire stock are M3A1. Those improvements are backwards-compatible. The British proof marks are on the original M3 barrel, which of course I kept.)

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Regarding the case, some of the Turkish firearms companies make their own cases in-house.
 
The British were famous for this, particularly for Lend-Lease guns that they got from the U.S.

My M3 Greasegun was a Lend-Lease gun. When I first laid eyes on it, it was covered with that notorious British black paint. While we were waiting for ATF transfer approval, I had the dealer strip the paint and re-Parkerize. Here's what it looks like after the refinish. (You will notice that the barrel and wire stock are M3A1. Those improvements are backwards-compatible. The British proof marks are on the original M3 barrel, which of course I kept.)

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that only comes in Full Auto?
 
The original M3 and M3A1 are full auto and also open bolt. So even converting one to semi auto still won't be legal due to it using an open bolt.

Hess/Vulcon and what ever other names they went by did make a closed bolt semi auto version years ago. They didn't have the best reputation for durability or reliability.
 
I had a Tisas GI that was completely dependable and a really good shooter.

Ended up trading it towards something and replaced it with a 1911 with bigger sights, but it was a good pistol.
 
And also the beveled and lowered ejection port. All the makers offering "GI" 1911's can't seem to leave well enough alone. They all let various "improvements" sneak into the product. Taurus, in Brazil, is probably the worst offender. None of their products comes within a country mile of resembling a WW2 gun. But I guess the "improvements" are what sell, and what differentiate them from the others.

I know there is a Cult of the Mil Spec. Cultists earnestly believe Mil Spec is next to godliness. The fact of the matter is, military items are made of the cheapest materials that will just do the job. Useless cost drivers are removed. For the 1911's, the original 1911's had to go bang 6000 times without breaking. When a 1911 was worn out, it was sent to depot where any part, up to the whole pistol, could be discarded on the rebuild lines.

These are the materials used during WW2, I assume most were in the WW1 pistols.

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One internet site, the members claim lawn mower blade steel runs the gambit from 1084 to 5160 steel, both higher grade than what GI slides were made out of.

Given such low grade materials, the guys on 1911forums state vintage 1911 slides will last around 10,000 to 12,000 rounds, maybe more, before they crack.

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Given such low grade materials, having extra steel shrouding the ejection port made sense for durablity reasons. However, civilians who pick up their cases did not like the dents, and I am sure that reducing ejection port height improved ejection reliability. I have had cases in other firearms rebound off the shroud around the ejection port, stovepipe, or otherwise cause jams. I much prefer the open top design of the P1 in this respect.

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Nothing for the ejected round to whang into, nor are there any obstructions blocking my fingers from removing jammed cases.

As for modern mil spec, just how shrouded are the ejection ports in the modern 1911's the Marines are using.?

There is a little deviation from "Mil Spec" that I consider desirable. Better sights, beveled magazine well, lower port, these are good and I consider improvements over the original 1911's. And modern steels, though, even with modern steels, 1911 slides still crack.

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The cocked and locked modifications, such a extended safeties, wrap around beavertails, are not improvements, except for playing quick draw games. In fact, they make the pistol more prone to accidental discharges. I did find an internet report where a man carrying a cocked and locked 1911 was killed when his 1911 discharged in his fanny pack. The extended safety is easily bumped off, and then the leather of the pack pushed on the grip safety, and something bumped the trigger off.

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I consider the 1911 safer with a round in the chamber and hammer down. These wrap around beavertails make it positively dangerous to attempt to lower the hammer, ditto with the extended rear sight that blocks finger access to the hammer. If you are going to carry cocked and locked, it is better to have a wrap around grip safety as a blow to the hammer will break the sear, or shear off the sear surfaces on the hammer. Without a hammer blocking safety, which this pistol does not have, a series 70 1911 will fire off the round when the hammer hits the firing pin. And then, those extended safeties are always being bumped off. The thumb safety is only there so the Cavalry Trooper could make the pistol safe with one hand. And once the bouncey, bouncey horse was under control, then the trooper could drop the magazine, eject the round, or using two hands, lower the hammer down. Then place the pistol in the flap holster.

The flap holster is not suitable for quick draw games.

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Even Officers who had custom holsters made, carried hammer down. This three star was a WW1 veteran. In WW2, he is carrying his 1911 hammer down. I can't tell what's in the chamber.

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Why would the WW2 generation build holsters like this, if they had been taught in the service to carry cocked and locked?

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The strap is not long enough to fit over or between the hammer and frame.
 
Tisas has so many models out there now to be confusing, and many of them are very similar. My 1911 "Army" version has a traditional GI ejection port, where my "Service" version, has a slightly lowered port. It also has/came with a flat MSH, no loop, and a short trigger, where the Army came with an arched MSH with a loop, as it should be, and a short trigger. And personally, I think that's how they should all come. :)
 
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