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I inherited a CVA Kentucky rifle kit, and am almost finished with it. I have quite a bit of experience with smokeless firearms, but no experience with black powder rifles, so…What advice would you give? Is there a “starter kit” that would contain everything needed to get started?
 
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Well, you basically need the following:

Propellant - depending on caliber - Goex fffg will work well with patched round ball for 45-54 calibers. Pyrodex or Triple 7 work fine too but can be harder to ignite - use "magnum" caps if you go that route.
powder measure (they make them for rifles that go from 20-120 which is a good size.
powder flask or just a spout for your Pyrodex or Triple 7 - you need some way to pour the powder into the measure.
Balls - correct diameter for your rifle 45/.440, 50/.490, 54/.530
Patches - ditto - get .010" and .015" to try out - one size will work better
Caps - #11 CCI or Remington work fine
TC Wonder Lube "bore butter" - use for patch lube and after cleaning
"ram rod kit" - various attachments like jag, bore brush, ball screw, patch worm, etc.

As you can see, you can spend as much on the "stuff" as the rifle itself.


For clean-up, you can get some black powder solvent or just use hot water and a little soap/hot water.

Cap n Ball is right - read down the threads in the forum and if you have a buddy that's knowledgable, then take advantage of that!
 
There are a lot of starter kits on the market. Sportsman's Guide, Cabelas, Dixie Gunworks, Track of the Wolf, and most sporting goods stores should have them. It's plenty easy to put your own together though, and you'll end up with things that you like better. The loading process isn't very complicated, but it takes a little getting used to.

First off, you'll need a way to measure powder. You can get a nice adjustable powder measure for just a few bucks. A powder horn or flask is handy too, as pouring from the powder can is a royal pain.

You'll need balls (or bullets) and patches. The manual should give you some starter information such as ball size and suggested loads. If it's a .50 caliber, using .490 balls and .015 thick patches is a good place to start. .530 for a .54 caliber, etc.

You'll need powder and caps if it's a percussion gun. Black powder works better than substitutes, but is hard to find in some areas of the country. If you can find it, it's definately worth using.

You can use a dedicated black powder lube for the patches, but there's really no reason to. Crisco works just fine for a lot of folks, or even a spit soaked patch (yuck!). I use Ballistol as a patch lube, powder solvent, general gun oil and even to protect the wood stock. Olive oil works too and there are many recipes for homemade lube on this site and others. Just avoid petroleum based products. For a commercial product, Hoppe's black powder lube and solvent is a great patch lube.

A nipple pick is handy to have for poking crud out of the nipple hole before reloading. You can improvise one from anything that'll fit the hole.

Black powder and Pyrodex residue is extremely corrosive, so it's best to clean the gun as soon after firing as possible. Cleaning is as simple as dish soap and warm water. No need for specialty chemicals. The water dissolves the salts created by firing and flushes them from the gun. The flushing action is the most important part. Smokeless powder solvents won't work well for muzzleloaders. In fact, even black powder solvents won't flush the salts. They dissolve fouling fine, but it still needs flushed out of the gun. The easiest way is to just stick the barrel in a bucket of warm soapy water and run a patched jag up and down the bore a few times, then rinse, dry and oil.

Lube with any good gun oil, but be sure to remove any petroleum based oils from the bore before shooting, as they mix with powder residue and create the worst fouling imaginable.

A short starter is handy for some guns, as the ball or bullet can be hard to start. You can make one yourself if your handy, or buy one for a few bucks. Not usually a necessity, but nice to have.

Once you start shooting, you'll need to tinker with the load to find the most accurate one for your gun. This is why pellets are a big disadvantage besides being overpriced. Loose powder lets you adjust the load to find the best accuracy. The most accurate load is rarely near the maximum load. 60-80 grains usually work best in most .50-.54 guns, a bit less in .45 guns. Ball size and patch thickness may need adjusted later on also if you run into a problem with blown patches, too tight or too loose of fit, etc.

Keep it simple and just have fun shooting! :)
 
One more thing...

I know this is going to sound silly, but once upon a very long time ago, I didn't know this: when cleaning, remove the barrel from the gun, remove the nipple from the barrel, then put the breech end in a bucket of hot soapy water and run a couple of wet patches up and down the barrel a few times with a jag of the proper caliber. You will notice that the patch forms a seal that will draw the water up into the barrel when you pull it out. This is the "flushing" that Plink was talking about.

Back in ancient history, when I was young and foolish, I tried to put the muzzle end in the water and suck the water up the barrel using the nipple.:what: :uhoh: :eek: Well, I knew you weren't supposed to immerse the stock in hot water, and ... oh, never mind. Not only is that incredibly stupid but it doesn't taste very good, either.:eek: :barf: I thought I was the only one dumb enough to do that until one night at a campfire the everclear loosened tongues enough that I confessed my stupidity and learned that I wasn't the only one.
 
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One necessary item for a percussion gun would be a nipple wrench.
Another useful item is a black powder cleaning kit which has an extra long sectioned rod for long barreled BP guns. My Hoppe's BP rod is made of aluminum so a bore guide is another item that's needed to go along with it.
When loading powder, I insert a plastic funnel into the muzzle which allows me to not have to worry about spilling powder when dumping it into the barrel from the powder measure.

What caliber is your Kentucky?
 
I know this is going to sound silly, but once upon a very long time ago, I didn't know this: when cleaning, remove the barrel from the gun, remove the nipple from the barrel, then put the breech end in a bucket of hot soapy water and run a couple of wet patches up and down the barrel a few times with a jag of the proper caliber. You will notice that the patch forms a seal that will draw the water up into the barrel when you pull it out. This is the "flushing" that Plink was talking about.

Back in ancient history, when I was young and foolish, I tried to put the muzzle end in the water and suck the water up the barrel using the nipple. Well, I knew you weren't supposed to immerse the stock in hot water, and ... oh, never mind. Not only is that incredibly stupid but it doesn't taste very good, either. I thought I was the only one dumb enough to do that until one night at a campfire the everclear loosened tongues enough that I confessed my stupidity and learned that I wasn't the only one.

Where is the rolling on the floor laughing my face off smily? That's funny right there...but dar good advice.:neener:
 
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