New Walther PPS subcompact pistol
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briansp82593
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looks kinda cool ?
Geronimo45
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What kind of trigger? QA, AS, DAO?
Interesting. Kind of odd that the mag release is bigger than the slide stop... but an interesting looking gun.
Interesting. Kind of odd that the mag release is bigger than the slide stop... but an interesting looking gun.
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"WALTHER PPS: The „Police Pistol Slim“ follows the legendary PPK.
Equipped with unique WALTHER features such as the patented QuickSafe®, variable magazine capacities and variable backstrap sizes, the WALTHER PPS is a worthy successor to the legendary PPK – the Police Pistol Short. Despite its large caliber of 9x19 or .40 S&W, the PPS is a pistol with extremely slim dimensions – in the classic WALTHER design. The highest possible safety is paired with a high degree of comfort during concealed carry.
It‘s like the PPS was locked: WALTHER QuickSafe®
Safety redefined: The partially cocked striker assembly is decocked simply by removing the backstrap. The removed backstrap therefore doubles as a „key“ – without it, the pistol can‘t be fired! So when the backstrap and the pistol are stored separately, the PPS is safeguarded against unauthorized use. WALTHER QuickSafe® - maximum safety can be that easy!
Variable frame length and magazine capacity. With three magazines of differing length (6, 7 & 8 rounds), the frame length can be perfectly adjusted to the individual hand size.
More Power. The PPS actually has more power than a Walther PPK, yet with almost identical dimensions."
"WALTHER PPS: The „Police Pistol Slim“ follows the legendary PPK.
Equipped with unique WALTHER features such as the patented QuickSafe®, variable magazine capacities and variable backstrap sizes, the WALTHER PPS is a worthy successor to the legendary PPK – the Police Pistol Short. Despite its large caliber of 9x19 or .40 S&W, the PPS is a pistol with extremely slim dimensions – in the classic WALTHER design. The highest possible safety is paired with a high degree of comfort during concealed carry.
It‘s like the PPS was locked: WALTHER QuickSafe®
Safety redefined: The partially cocked striker assembly is decocked simply by removing the backstrap. The removed backstrap therefore doubles as a „key“ – without it, the pistol can‘t be fired! So when the backstrap and the pistol are stored separately, the PPS is safeguarded against unauthorized use. WALTHER QuickSafe® - maximum safety can be that easy!
Variable frame length and magazine capacity. With three magazines of differing length (6, 7 & 8 rounds), the frame length can be perfectly adjusted to the individual hand size.
More Power. The PPS actually has more power than a Walther PPK, yet with almost identical dimensions."
MikePGS
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That looks kind of cool. I'd like to see what barrel length's they offer though. Does anyone know when they're supposed to hit the market?
Diamondback
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...that's what I was thinking when I looked at it. It has all the refined lines of....well...a dumpster .
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Prince Yamato
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worthy? What the HELL was the design team smoking when they were working the AutoCAD? Yeah, it's a work of art...
sithanas
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I don't think it looks that bad... kind of looks like a less-ugly steyr.
They probably did that because the P99 and P22 magazine releases can be hard to use for some people being that they were so small.
Anyways not taking size into a factor the pictures almost look like they took a Glock frame and put a Walther slide on it. Personally I will stick with my PPK it's a classic design that has lasted almost 80 years in production now.
copaup
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I've always said that looks are far less important than the relability and functionality of a weapon. After all, you aren't buying it as a fashion accessory. I'm also sure that Walther has done a fine job in creating a durable, reliable, accurate, compact 9mm.
All that said, Wow, that is one ugly gun. Maybe it will grow on me. If it does, maybe they make some kind of cream that I can use to kill it...
I'll stick with the PPK for my classy tuxedo gun...
All that said, Wow, that is one ugly gun. Maybe it will grow on me. If it does, maybe they make some kind of cream that I can use to kill it...
I'll stick with the PPK for my classy tuxedo gun...
I'd like to see exact specs.. barrel length, width, OAL, etc.
I own a Walther P99 AS .40. After some time with it, I really think Walther makes great handguns and this little thing looks VERY promising as a deep CCW. If i could get specs, including the weight with and without a full mag, i'd really consider buying this gun. Trigger pull is definitely a huge factor for me too. I gotta love the trigger system right off the bat. We'll see i guess...
I own a Walther P99 AS .40. After some time with it, I really think Walther makes great handguns and this little thing looks VERY promising as a deep CCW. If i could get specs, including the weight with and without a full mag, i'd really consider buying this gun. Trigger pull is definitely a huge factor for me too. I gotta love the trigger system right off the bat. We'll see i guess...
BillinNH
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Does this gun do anything that the KT PF9 doesn't do for what may be as low as a third of the price?
Don't get me wrong, I'm a big Walther fan, have been for years, own several and will surely buy more. But if the purpose of this gun is to have a slim concealable medium capacity 9mm for on-body carry I'd go for the KelTec. Uh, I'm also a long time KelTec owner and fan.
Am I missing something?
Bill
Don't get me wrong, I'm a big Walther fan, have been for years, own several and will surely buy more. But if the purpose of this gun is to have a slim concealable medium capacity 9mm for on-body carry I'd go for the KelTec. Uh, I'm also a long time KelTec owner and fan.
Am I missing something?
Bill
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Not much of a looker but I'd give it a try.I've always wished Glock would have made a single stack 19 or 26.
It probably works out of the box and has a much better trigger pull and finish. Maybe feed 147gr rounds too
I own kel-tec stuff and while kt is great about releasing interesting new guns I don't think the build quality of my p99 and p3at or my overall user experience can even begin to compare. Thats not to say I don't like p3at either. Ymmv.
HammerBite
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Thank you. That made my day. I can go to bed with a smile on my face.
MontanaBighorn
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hello,
im surprised that so many are concerned with how "pretty" this weapon is or isnt. please dont mistake that as a judgement because it isnt.....im simply speaking from my own perspective. i buy weapons for one primary purpose, which is to protect/defend myself and my family. i want a weapon that works with any type or brand of ammunition. i want a reliable weapon that is controllable and hopefully relatively easy to conceal. i dont care how "pretty" a weapon is, i just want it to go "bang" when i pull the trigger and i want to be able to hit effectively with it. i find beauty in proper function.
i have many weapons that are "pretty" to look at and for the most part theyre either range guns or they sit in the safe as part of a collection. the PPS is obviously designed for concealed carry, and im betting its going to be very effective.....so much so that ive already spent the money unseen, and im waiting on delivery of my "first edition" 9mm PPS. for a long time ive sought a truly sub-compact 9mm for those rare occassions when i cannot dress around a service size daily carry, most often MY M&P .40.
the g26 was almost a perfect fit for me but its so dang thick that it negates its own compact overall size, at least for my intended usage. i dont understand this trend of making small weapons for concealed carry, yet making them as thick as bricks. CLICK HERE for my thoughts on that issue. the springfield EMP seemed like a perfect solution except that theyre proving to be finnicky feeders and they dont like +P loads. ive heard to many mixed results from kahr and keltec owners to try them. of all my weapons however, i dont ever recall a single failure of any type in any of them with "walther" on the slide. i consider the p99 to be one of the finest service weapons ever built and while there is a p99c version available, its also awful thick. at face value the PPS is exactly what ive been looking for and if it proves itself as reliable (which im confident that it will) as other walthers then i find it absolutely beautiful....despite how it may "look" to some.
ill post a complete range report once ive ran 500 or so rounds through it to see how much of a performer it really is.
im surprised that so many are concerned with how "pretty" this weapon is or isnt. please dont mistake that as a judgement because it isnt.....im simply speaking from my own perspective. i buy weapons for one primary purpose, which is to protect/defend myself and my family. i want a weapon that works with any type or brand of ammunition. i want a reliable weapon that is controllable and hopefully relatively easy to conceal. i dont care how "pretty" a weapon is, i just want it to go "bang" when i pull the trigger and i want to be able to hit effectively with it. i find beauty in proper function.
i have many weapons that are "pretty" to look at and for the most part theyre either range guns or they sit in the safe as part of a collection. the PPS is obviously designed for concealed carry, and im betting its going to be very effective.....so much so that ive already spent the money unseen, and im waiting on delivery of my "first edition" 9mm PPS. for a long time ive sought a truly sub-compact 9mm for those rare occassions when i cannot dress around a service size daily carry, most often MY M&P .40.
the g26 was almost a perfect fit for me but its so dang thick that it negates its own compact overall size, at least for my intended usage. i dont understand this trend of making small weapons for concealed carry, yet making them as thick as bricks. CLICK HERE for my thoughts on that issue. the springfield EMP seemed like a perfect solution except that theyre proving to be finnicky feeders and they dont like +P loads. ive heard to many mixed results from kahr and keltec owners to try them. of all my weapons however, i dont ever recall a single failure of any type in any of them with "walther" on the slide. i consider the p99 to be one of the finest service weapons ever built and while there is a p99c version available, its also awful thick. at face value the PPS is exactly what ive been looking for and if it proves itself as reliable (which im confident that it will) as other walthers then i find it absolutely beautiful....despite how it may "look" to some.
ill post a complete range report once ive ran 500 or so rounds through it to see how much of a performer it really is.
Chrome
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Welcome to THR MontanaBighorn!
That is exactly how I feel about the issue.
Later,
Chrome...
That is exactly how I feel about the issue.
Later,
Chrome...
fletcher
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I suppose it's a good compact 9mm for someone who prefers the feel of a Walther. I'm more impressed that so many companies are getting it that there is demand for small, single-stack 9mm guns.
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many thanks chrome. ive actually been reading for nearly 2 years and i joined about 10 months ago or so, i just havent wanted to respond to anything until today.
brashboy
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The PPS actually looks like a Cat 9 on steroids, lol. I can't wait to see one.
Regarding the post that mentioned Kahrs, I haven't noticed that many problems discussed on the Kahr, certainly no more than other high quality weapons.
Regarding the post that mentioned Kahrs, I haven't noticed that many problems discussed on the Kahr, certainly no more than other high quality weapons.
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i agree. im really disappointed however, that they havent figured out that the slide doesnt not have to be as wide as the grip (browning hi-power for example) which would enable a high capacity double stack magazine with a slide that still slides easily into an IWB holster without having to upsize your pants. ive done a direct comparison of a BHP with an xd9sc to make my point, CLICK HERE to see that.
also i notice from your signature that youre looking for a used hi-power. here is a few that i know of for sale to take a look at:
http://hipowertalk.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=190
http://hipowertalk.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=189 <-- double action hi-power!
http://hipowertalk.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=105
Car Knocker
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Welcome to THR, Nathan.
I did notice a slight error at the link you supplied.
I did notice a slight error at the link you supplied.
MontanaBighorn
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thanks don. i used 1935 for simplicity since that was when the design was finalized. one thing about your post that caught my attention however, was your usage of "significantly" when referencing saive's changes. my undestanding was that saive only finished JMBs design with minor changes. what did he change that was significant?
Car Knocker
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I believe (my books are in storage while remodeling) when Saive stepped in, the Browning design had a striker and when the Colt 1911 patents expired in the late '20s, Saive incorporated the Colt barrel bushing design, the Colt locking system replaced the breech bolt and the Colt takedown system was incorporated. The barrel bushing morphed into the fixed bushing we see now sometime in the early '30s. Saive added the curved backstrap. The slide was shortened and slimmed, and the magazine capacity was reduced from 15 to 13 to meet weight requirements.
As I recall, the basic patents for the original design weren't granted until after Browning's death - maybe 1927? In any case, production began in 1934 and the first order was filled in 1935.
Now that I'm dredging through the dark recesses and seeing some light in the corners of my mind, Browning had 2 designs for the French military trials; the predecessor to the High Power and a blowback design, both using the 9x19 cartridge as required. I'm not sure why France specified the same cartridge that the Germans adopted - I can speculate but that's it.
The Browning Museum in Ogden may have some of the prototypes - I'll have to check next time I'm there.
As I recall, the basic patents for the original design weren't granted until after Browning's death - maybe 1927? In any case, production began in 1934 and the first order was filled in 1935.
Now that I'm dredging through the dark recesses and seeing some light in the corners of my mind, Browning had 2 designs for the French military trials; the predecessor to the High Power and a blowback design, both using the 9x19 cartridge as required. I'm not sure why France specified the same cartridge that the Germans adopted - I can speculate but that's it.
The Browning Museum in Ogden may have some of the prototypes - I'll have to check next time I'm there.
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