New Walther PPS

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  1. Bob79

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    I did a search and didn't find any threads on the new Walther PPS, so I thought I'd start one to exchange info. What I know so far is that it will be in 9mm & 40 S&W, is a single stack, compact, and will be replacing the PPK line basically (according to Walther).

    Apparently there are some "1st edition" guns out already that have a special engraving of "first edition" on them, along with a different colored frame. The frame is like a black/gray marble color. The regular guns will just be all black colored. It says the gun is only 1.04" at it's widest, with the 9mm weighing 19.4 ozs w/ no mag, and the 40 cal about an ounce more. Its 6.3" long, and 4.4" high. It will come with a 6 & 7 round mag in 9mm, in 40 cal it will be 5 & 6 rounders. Additionally available for each caliber will be an even longer mag with 8 (9mm) or 7 (40 cal) rounds. Its essentially a DAO trigger, and comes with 2 different sized back straps (small & large).

    To me it compares very closely (in 9mm) with the Kahr CW9/P9 series, or the Smith & Wesson CS9. Its more thin than a G26, but larger than a Kel Tec PF-9. Personally I'm VERY interested in this gun. I keep looking to get a small 9mm to wear IWB, and I'm too leary of the Kahr polymer guns, the Glock 26 is a little too thick for me, and the CS9 is discontinued (& I prefer DAO). I look forward to seeing how the gun performs from reviews on this and other forums, and if the consensus is that it works I will probably buy one eventually. Here are some links below....and lets hear what info you have!

    http://www.waltheramerica.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=13152&storeId=10002&productId=60492&langId=-1&parent_category_rn=44304&isFirearm=Y
    http://www.waltheramerica.com/wcsstore/Walther/upload/other/PPS_BROCHURE.pdf
     
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    Wow I thought there would be more interest/discussion on this gun...
     
  4. Father Knows Best

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    Well, since you asked....

    I looked at the links, and I'm not impressed. Basically, it's a thinner Glock 26/27. Now, that's not a bad thing if you like Glocks, but it also only has a single stack mag. Mag capacity is 6/7/8 in 9x19, or 5/6/7 in .40S&W, depending on how long a mag you use. With a flush mag, you only get 6 rounds of 9x19, while the Glock 26 holds 10 rounds with a flush mag.

    If I want a one inch thick pistol for concealed carry (and I do!), then I want either great mag capacity, or a more powerful cartridge, or both. Wait a minute! I have such a thing! It's a Colt CCO, and it holds 7+1 rounds of .45ACP.

    Also, I have to quibble with you on this:
    Um, no, it isn't. It's a striker-fired, pre-cocked action, much like a Glock. With a DAO trigger, you at least have second strike capability in the event of a misfire. With the Walther, like the Glock, you need to use the tap-rack-bang drill, just as you do with a single action trigger. But unlike a single action, you still have to deal with a long trigger pull.

    Granted, it's probably a better trigger than the PPK/S. I know, because I briefly owned a PPK/S. I shot it once and promptly sold it. You couldn't carry it cocked and locked, because the safety was essentially a decocker, and that first DA trigger pull was horrendously heavy -- it maxed out my gauge, so I know it was more than 12 pounds. According to Walther, the new PPS has a 6 pound trigger, which is close to SA territory, but not quite.
     
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    I Want One!!!
     
  6. Bob79

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    Father knows best-I know its not a true DAO set-up, I only meant it was similar, with the same trigger pull all the time. Guess I should have been more specific. I know it holds less rounds, its a single stack, they always hold less rounds. But what you give up in # of rounds you gain concealability. With the 9mm 7+1 is still 3 more shots than a 5-shot snub, and 9mm+ performs ballistically just like a .45acp round. It looks like a good pistol for what it is.
     
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    http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=263822

    as i said in that thread i have one coming, due in next week. im looking forward to it, as i feel it will meet my needs perfectly. as much as i prefer the handling and capacity of a service weapon, there are times when i just cant dress around it. for these times, i look forward to having a better option.
     
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    resurrecting this thread as I just saw the new G&A with the PPS on the cover...I think I found my next carry piece. Now 9mm or 40? The capacity is a little weak but the gun looks so hidable it ain't funny
     
  9. gp911

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    Continuing the resurrection of this thread, I shot one a couple weeks ago and loved it, except it was bouncing brass off my head on occasion (outdoors, no partitions, it was ejecting straight back off and on). I think that would change over time, and I only fired maybe 40 rounds through it with maybe 3 incidents of brass in the face/forehead. The verdict?

    I loved the thing. Super slim, fits my hand well, nice controls, maybe next year I'll get one...

    gp911
     
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    It looks interesting. I would like to handle one in person. How is the trigger and recoil?
     
  11. Man With A Gun

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    WOW. I want one.

    This is going to be a GREAT carry piece. Hands down, this is a winner.

    Light, thin, hand full of shots and likely as reliable as sunrise. What's not to love?

    I am going hunting for one now. :D
     
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    I held one yesterday. While the gun felt great, the mag release is in an awful place for me. The only way for me to reach it was severely alter my grip. It is the same reason I do not like H&K, or the Walther/S&W series.
     
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    Trigger was good, but then again I'm not real picky on trigger pull. Trust, but verify, in other words... Recoil was a breeze, no sweat there. It's snappy, but not unpleasant. My old G23 kicked noticeably harder. The thin grip on the PPS makes it easy to handle. I'll agree on the mag release being a little weird though. I could get over it, but try before you buy.


    gp911
     
  14. Soybomb

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    Are you using your trigger finger to hit it?
     
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    Bob, I can't believe you didn't get flamed for this - "9mm+ performs ballistically just like a .45acp round"...not saying that I would, but on any other forum, you would have been torched for that.

    I'm price-shopping for one of these right now...got the go-ahead from the wife, and sold my Sig232 (because this will fit the same niche), so I'm just looking for the best price. I'll let you know how I like it once I find one.
     
  16. Bob79

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    It does perform very closely to the same as a 45acp round, assuming HP ammo. Take a look at some of the ballistic gelatin photos comparing various calibers. 9mm, 40S&W, and 45acp all perform VERY closely.
     
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    Since someone said to look at this:
    ballisticchart.jpg

    124+P 9mm performs about the same as 357sig
     
  18. jsebens

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    Hey, I wasn't arguing with you. All my pistols are 9mm. I was just saying that I expected a .45 fan to jump on you.
     
  19. Princi

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    Touched one - want one

    While I was at Cabela's in Fort Worth, I was looking through the gun cases while waiting for my brother who was occupied in fishing tackle. (We aren't much alike). I spotted a First Edition Walther PPS and asked to see it.

    Now I am a little biased. Two of my favorite pistols are the Walther P1 and P5. On the other hand, I also own a P22. I won't say any more about it other than I don't believe that it deserves the Walther name.

    At first the color turned me off a bit, but when the clerk handed it to me, I was very impressed. My Desert Eagle (44M) doesn't fit my hand very well, but this little darling sure did. Also, it didn't feel like I was holding an airsoft pistol. This thing was solid. (Of course my Kahr M9098N is solid too, but I can't hit the broadside of a barn with it.)

    I'm a little leary of getting a pistol when it is first issued. I got burned by the Wilson ADP (but they fixed it in record time), and also by the STI LS9, which still isn't perfect ( one FTE in 50 rounds). However, I do like the looks of the First Edition, and I'm sorely tempted to pick one up this week.
     
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    I am soooo on the fence...the 9mm appeals for better capacity, the 40 for power....but I really would like to see an additional 2 rounds for each....but there goes your conceability so I have no idea...I have to handle one though
     
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    I've handled one, and...well, it's thin.

    Trigger is a bit lighter and crisper than a Glock, but otherwise similar. The mag release is in the usual USP-type spot, which is a bit awkward on a gun this size.

    Weight and balance are good, but the grip is shaped very much like a Kel-Tec. It's a bit angular and almost sharp around the edges, and it bites into the palm a bit. It comes with interchangeable backstraps, but the problem for me is the corner of the grip rather than the back.

    Given shape and weight, I'm not sure I'd want to shoot anything hot through it.
     
  22. Princi

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    vs Kel-Tec PF9

    BsChoy, I noticed you have a Kel-Tec in 380. I have two of them: 32 ACP and the PF-9 in 9mm. The PF-9 is a great carry piece, but not comfortable to shoot. It doesn't actually hurt my hand like the S&W Airlite in 357Mag does, but I imagine the recoil of the PPS will be a lot less because of the weight.

    If you want to wait, the PPS in 40S&W is scheduled to be out in "Fall 2007", which probably means December.

    Personally, I shoot a lot and 9mm is just less expensive to shoot.
     
  23. USMC_1983-89

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    To once again resurrect a dead thread, I still haven't seen many of these around. I've yet to see one on Gunbroker. Has anyone purchased one yet and what did you pay?
     
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    USMC, checkout www.waltherforums.com. They have a PPS forum with plenty of info.
     
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