New Yellowboy this weekend

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What a great gun show this past weekend. I found a smoking deal on a '66 Carbine by Uberti and I just had to get it. I never thought I would ever be able to afford one. I guess he just low-balled someone and was able to sell it to me cheaper and still make a profit. It had some handling marks on the wood, but I striped it and refinished them so now its all good. Its got such a smooth action. I've never handled one before, but when he cut the strap and let mt cycle the action, I was hooked!!:D Anyway, here she is with her new cowboy family:D



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Very nice piece, what caliber??

I made it to a show in Cody the weekend before we left for the winter. One of the booths had a Uberti Henry 44-40 which for some reason had the barrel in the white. I had visions of browning it but the guy who had it liked it a LOT more than I did. All was not lost though, I did find a nice '60 Army to diminish my disappointment in not getting the Henry.
 
Thank you guys for the nice words. The '66 s in 45Colt. I know, not a correct caliber, but they dont make it in the correct .44Henry. I already load 45 for my '58 conversion and my 2 1873 Peacemakers, so it made sense for me. Not to mention you dont have a choice when your buying used, your at the mercy of whatever is available at the time. I've already shot it a few times out back in the bullet trap and t functions perfectly. Im tickled!! Kevin.
 
Congrats. I've been hoping to come across a good deal on one also. No luck yet. Very nice collection ya got there. My type of guns.
 
Thank you sir. I just cant pay the 1000.00-899.00 price for a new one so when this one came along I just had to bite the bullet. The only other one there was a new Uberti '73 but the guy wanted 990.00 and wouldn't come down so I let him keep it. Kevin.
 
Yeah, I do know. I shoot one as my main match rifle in CAS. 44-40 loaded with Black Powder. It only gets really hot on a hot summer day. On those days I wear a glove on my left hand. But on a cool autumn day or a cold winter day it just gets warm enough to be a nice handwarmer.
 
I have a 30-30 model 94. any more than 7 rounds and you will start to feel the heat. Usually at around 15 rounds I open the chamber and let is set for a while to cool down.
 
I shoot my 44-40 Henry with Black Powder all the time. Most stages call for 10 rounds. As I said, on a hot summer day it gets hot, but it takes a little while for the heat to soak through the thick octagonal barrel. The barrel usually does not heat up all the way until I am at the unloading table. That's why I always wear a glove on my left hand when shooting the Henry in the summer. In the spring, fall and winter I don't need the glove, it does not get too hot to be uncomfortable to hold.

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Nice picture.. ya has to be the barrel thickness. I know bp burns hotter but that winchester gets hot. Same time barrel is round not a thick barrel either. The more i look at it that is one nice lever action you have there. I like the receiver nice case hardening
 
Curses....not only got schooled on my knowledge of my favorite movie, but also on my gun knowledge!!! ...ouch

Nice rifle Driftwood btw.

I sure could make a bunch of nice lubewads for my '58 outta that hat, lol.
 
Driftwood Johnson said:
Gus used a Henry, not a '66. Notice the lack of a wooden forend and the follower tab protruding underneath the magazine.

Wasn't the "1866" sometimes refered to as the "Improved Henry"???
In any case I seem to recall Winchester itself didn't refer to their rifles by year of design until the 1873 came out.
 
Foto, the 5 rounds that I used to test the function were loaded with smokeless. I use 5 grains of tightgroup for a very mild load. I havent decided yet if I'm going to shoot my black powder loads in it. I love shooting them in my '58 conversion, but I do a detailed cleaning on it after every shooting. Its just second nature now. But with the '66, I dont know yet if I want to take the side plates off every time. Anyway, the jury is still out. Kevin.
 
Howdy Again

You don't have to take the sideplates off and do a detailed cleaning every time you shoot it.

When I shoot Black Powder, I clean with something called Murphy's Mix. Murphy's Mix is 1/3 Murphy's Oil Soap, 1/3 drugstore rubbing alcohol, and 1/3 drugstore Hydrogen Peroxide. I buy 1/2 gallon of each and mix them in an empty opaque milk jug to keep sunlight away from the H2O2.

I know I will get a lot of grief for stating this, a lot of folks think the best way to clean a BP gun is with hot water. I used to clean with hot water back when I got my first C&B revolver in 1968. But there are a couple of new wrinkles that are especially useful with cartridge guns shot with Black Powder.

First off, we all know that BP fouling is hygroscopic and will attract moisture from the atmosphere, causing rust in the bore. But if the fouling can be infused with oil, it loses its ability to suck extra moisture out of the air. Think of it as a dry sponge. If you saturate a dry sponge with water, it cannot take on any more water. It is the same with BP fouling. If you can saturate it with oil, it loses its ability to absorb any water from the atmosphere. The fouling is already saturated with oil.

Here is how Murphy's Mix works when cleaning BP. First off, drugstore rubbing alcohol is usually about 20% water and drugstore Hydrogen Peroxide is only about 3% H2O2, the rest is water. It is this water content that actually does the dissolving of BP fouling when using Murphy's Mix. Yes, water is a terrific BP solvent. The alcohol in the Mix serves as a drying agent, to accelerate the drying of the solvent, and the Per Oxide provides a little bit of fizzing action to help lift off any stubborn fouling. When the alcohol, water, and Per Oxide evaporate, the Murphy's Oil Soap is left behind. The Oil Soap remains as an oily residue. It soaks into any remaining BP fouling, preventing it from absorbing any moisture from the air and rendering any remaining fouling harmless. Once soaked with oil, any BP fouling can remain down in the action for a long time and it will not cause any rust.

Here's what I do when I clean a lever gun that I have shot with Black Powder. First, I pop a spent cartridge into the chamber and close the action. Then I stand the gun up against something muzzle up. Using a regular cleaning rod, I place a cleaning patch in the slotted end of the cleaning rod. Don't use a jag, use the slotted end. After soaking the patch with Murphy's Mix I twirl it down the bore, then with draw it back out. On the first pass it will be filthy black and crusty with BP fouling. After three or four more passes with fresh wet patches, the patch will come out cleaner and cleaner. When it comes out dirty gray, with out any more crust, all the fouling has been wiped off of the bore and is being held in the empty case in the chamber. The bore is clean at this point. Then I turn the rifle upside down and eject the empty onto the ground. A spray of filthy black solvent will follow the case out, so don't get any on you, and don't do this on the wife's new white carpet. The bore is essentially clean now. Be sure to hold the rifle upside down with the bolt open, so the dirty solvent drips out of the action, and not back in.

The reason to not use a jag when doing this is a jag and patch can get jammed in the spent case in the chamber. A patch passed through the slotted end of the cleaning rod is thinner and will not get jammed in the empty case. If you get the rod jammed in the empty case you will be an unhappy camper.

I shoot 44-40 in all my lever guns, and 44-40 seals the chamber beautifully because the brass at the case mouth is so thin. You are shooting 45 Colt, and you will most likely experience more blowback because the 45 Colt cartridge does not seal the chamber as well as 44-40 does. So you will have a bit of fouling to wipe off the carrier, the bolt, and the mortice the carrier rides up and down in. Clean that off with a couple of patches soaked in Murphy's Mix.

Now here is the secret. Work some Murphy's Mix down inside the action of the gun. Use Q-Tips to work some in where the firing pin extension protrudes at the rear, turn the gun upside down and work some in where the trigger comes out, and work some in everywhere else you can get access to the action.

Now follow up with one patch soaked with Ballistol down the bore. Follow that patch with a dry patch to soak up any extra Ballistol, just leaving a light coating on the bore. Unlike a muzzle loader, with a cartridge gun there is no problem leaving oil in the bore. There will be no powder to contaminate. Leaving a light coating of Ballistol in the bore will protect the bore from any further rust, and coat any fouling you might not have gotten out of the bore. Same thing with the action. Run some Ballistol down into the action, to coat every thing inside. And rub some Ballistol on the exposed surfaces of the bolt, the carrier, and the mortice the carrier rides up and down in.

I know this all sounds heretical on this board. I am a new guy here, and I have seen that most shooters here are shooting Black Powder through muzzle loaders. And I see that most like to clean with just plain water, and I respect that. But I am here to tell you that this works. I have five lever guns that I shoot in Cowboy Action Shooting, and I shoot them all with Black Powder. I have an Uberti Henry, an Uberti 1873, an original Marlin Model 1894 made in 1895, and two Winchester Models 1892, made in 1894 and 1918. I clean them all this way. Once a year I will completely disassemble them and clean out all the black, oily guck that is down inside. Yes, there is plenty of it, and those who prefer a white glove inspection will not approve. But I have been doing this for close to ten years now and when I clean out all the oily guck inside there is never any rust. The beauty of this method is you don't have to take everything apart every time to get all the water and the fouling out. You just leave it in there. It probably takes me all of ten minutes to clean a lever gun with this method.

I also use the same method for cartridge revolvers shot with Black Powder.

I will say that when I am going to dedicate a firearm to Black Powder, rifle, shotgun, or revolver, I usually detail strip it and completely remove all the factory lubrication with a strong solvent like lacquer thinner. Then I relubricate the gun with Ballistol when I reassemble it.

Anyway, I am ducking now because I know a lot of members of this board will not consider my method a good practice, but I have been doing it for years and it does work.
 
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Wasn't the "1866" sometimes refered to as the "Improved Henry"???
In any case I seem to recall Winchester itself didn't refer to their rifles by year of design until the 1873 came out.

Yes, you are correct. When the Model 1866 first came out it was the first rifle produced by the new Winchester Repeating Arms Company. Oliver Winchester renamed the company after himself in 1866. The Model 1866 was often called the Improved Henry, or simply Winchester. It was not until the Model 1873 came out that Winchester began using model names for the different models they produced.
 
I wouldn't sweat doing a complete tear down on a good lever gun every time you shoot it. Keep in mind, these things were originally designed to shoot Black Powder. I feed my Marlin lever gun Black Powder 44 Specials only.

As you mentioned above, the 45 Colt isn't historically correct, of course neither is the 44 Special that I shoot. The problem technically isn't that they're not historically correct, the problem is that they are straight walled cartridges, they didn't use those in rifles for a couple of reasons. Mainly it was because the straight wall case in those days tended not to eject as well. Also, Winchester was loath to use a "Colt" cartridge in their gun. The tapered brass of the 44WCF for example ejected well and it also had the added benefit that it had less blow back which kept the receiver fouling down to a minimum.

One of the things that you can do with your 45 Colt Black Powder cartridges is to NOT resize them when you reload. This will substantially cut down on the blow back both in the rifle and in revolvers. Although you may find that you have to dedicate specific brass to individual guns if the chambers are not close enough in size.

As far as cleaning is concerned, everybody has the method which works best for them. The bottom line is, if three or four weeks down the road you don't have a gun full of rust, the method you're using is probably satisfactory. Personally for the Colt's pattern cap guns I still like hot water and Dawn dish soap. Unfortunately that method is a pain for top strap guns like a SAA or the rifles. In that case I use Ballistol Moose Milk (1:1).

Once you start pushing Black Powder down the barrel of that thing you're gonna have a hard time wiping the grin off your kisser.;)
 
Thats alot of fantastic information guys. Wow. I really appreciate it. I'll probably shoot the cursed smokeless stuff until I can muster up the courage. I do know however, that shooting black powder 45 colt cartridges in my peacemakers and the '58 Remmy is just about as much fun as I have ever had in shooting.
 
I bought 100 rounds of .45 Colt ammo, just so I can shoot it and reload it with BP.

I need to get a .44-40, since I have about 40 rounds of ammo for it.
 
Jaymo said:
I need to get a .44-40, since I have about 40 rounds of ammo for it.

Uberti Cattleman version of the Colt Frontier Six is a great piece. Be ready to aggravate the snot out of yourself learning how to load 44-40 without screwing up the necks. Maybe it's just me, but those things have a tendency to be finicky.
 
The problem that I have is just the slightest issue with where the it necks down will prevent them from chambering. I've been told by somebody here on THR that the Winchester brass is the most forgiving in this regard with revolvers although I haven't proven or disproven that with mine yet. From what I understand, the rifle chambering is less intollerant of us fat fingered fools.
 
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