New York to start Handgun Permit Database

[usmarine0352_2005]

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http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2013/03/ny_to_spend_28m_on_gun_permit.html

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NY to spend $28M to create statewide gun permit database

on March 26, 2013 at 4:28 PM, updated March 26, 2013 at 6:18 PM

ALBANY, N.Y. (AP) — Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver says New York will spend $27.74 million to develop the first statewide electronic handgun permit database as part of its new gun control law.

Silver tells The Associated Press today that the measure will create a central database of pistol permit records now kept at the county level where handgun owners live.

It will allow statewide cross-checking with records of crimes and involuntary commitments to mental health facilities.

The law exempts records of individual handgun owners from the state Freedom of Information Law. That would avoid the conflict that arose when a newspaper reported the names of handgun permit holders and their addresses.
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[ThorinNNY]

First it`s $ 36 million to pay for background checks on ammo sales, then another $ 27 million to check on permit holders................:banghead:

 

[Solo]

Hopefully at this rate, NY will run out of money before they can do anything.

 

[larryh1108]

The scary part is who is going to pay for these "services"? I seriously doubt that the cost will be absorbed in any budget. It has to come from the people who make it necessary... the gun owners. Expect permit costs to go thru the roof and taxes on guns and ammo among other gun related items. The 2 items mentioned above comes to $63 million dollars. You honestly think Mr and Mrs anti-gun will eat that? Wait, maybe Bloomburger will fund it. Yeah, that's it! Tax big gulps!

 

[12many]

Shows the direction the anti's are headed. They like to track gun owners in a big database. Good example and the reasoning they use.

 

[splithoof]

More reasons to go to a free state.

 

[Upstater]

This is just more ridiculous parts of a ridiculous law that should be repealed, and its composers and congressional supporters should resign, that being said I do not understand what this will prove because in N.Y. One can only register a handgun in their own county of residence, which if there are any issues it is caught at the county level.:banghead:

 

[toivo]

How do they not already have a database? I live in NY, and every time I buy a handgun, I have to get it registered on my permit. When I go to the Sheriff's office, they always make a photocopy of the receipt. Once I asked if it was a problem that some of the info on the receipt was hard to read, and I was told, "If Albany [the state capital] has a problem with it, they'll kick it back to us."

So what has been happening up to now? They just send the paper up there and nothing happens to it? And it's going to cost $28 million just to get that data entered into a database? Somebody's getting scammed ...

 

[Torian]

Seems like a round about way to require gun registration. Each weapon has to be listed individually on the permit to be authorized for carry in NY state (correct me if I'm wrong).

 

[SleazyRider]

Seems like a round about way to require gun registration. Each weapon has to be listed individually on the permit to be authorized for carry in NY state (correct me if I'm wrong).

That is correct. Every handgun I own is listed on my permit---even black powder pistols, should I chose to shoot them instead of hanging them on a wall. Long guns are not listed.

Perhaps they will fund this with the money "saved" from the now-defunct COBIS law, that required providing the state police with a spent casing. The law---funded by gun owners and tax dollars---did not net one single clue to solving a crime or convicting a criminal. The criminals, of course, are the ones in office who introduced this legislation.

 

[scaatylobo]

I gotta laugh

I live in NYS and I do find all this very amusing.

First of all Canada just stopped this idiotic idea AFTER spending an "admitted" TEN MILLION dollars [ guess what that amount really was ].

Second NYS is about as broke as any state and there is no way they can come up with that money,even if they try to tax ---- er charge a registration fee.

It wont cover the first ten years,so this is a huge joke and a funny end will be the belly laugh.

 

[toivo]

I predict (and hope) that even if this isn't repealed, it will go belly-up in about 10 years, just like COBIS, when the state figures out that they're just flushing money down the toilet.

 

[Pat M]

I particularly like this line, ""This database will be a powerful tool that will aid in the enforcement of New York's gun control measures and keep more of our citizens out of harm's way," Silver said.

OK, so I filled out several pages of paperwork with all signatures notarized, had four character references submit notarized documents, paid the fees, went to an interview with a detective, had my fingerprints and mug shot taken, my employer and wife were contacted, waited six months for my license, and brought each handgun into the police headquarters to be recorded on my license.

In what way are licensed handgun owners in New York putting their fellow citizens in harm's way?

 

[ThorinNNY]

This is just a dog and pony show to distract the low information voter`s attention from the sad,sad state of New York State. It has become the most anti -business state in the nation, little or no economic growth ,etc run by a vindictive cabal of ___________s( you fill in the blank).
Cuomo screams "keep guns out of the hands of the mentally ill' while furtively
cutting programs designed to help people with mental illnesses and keep them from going off the rails.
The 63.7 million Cuomo wants to spend to advance the SAFE ACT agenda could be better spent on things that would truly benefit the citizens of New York State.
But Cuomo`s too busy crouching down and licking the hand *that feeds him to listen to the population of 82.2 % of New York`s counties.Easier to dismiss us all as "paranoids".

*last name starts with B

 

[Tom from WNY]

A copy of what I sent my elected representatives this morning.

I request you vote to end the $28M funding to establish a State wide database of Pistol License holders. This money could be better used to fund Mental Health efforts in our State as the Governor’s cuts to this program clearly contravene the intent of the SAFE Act.

The current system of maintaining records at the County level has worked since the establishment of the Sullivan Act in 1911 and does not need to be tampered with. What does need to happen is the repeal of the provision to renew licenses every 5 years and that effort needs to be defunded.

I again request you vote to defund the effort to establish a Statewide database of Pistol License holders and eliminate the 5 year renewal requirement.

I support those elected representatives who support my interests.

To all NY residents on this board, I offer this for your use. Sent by e-mail to the personal contact website of my Senator & Legislator. Both are pro-2A. The issue here is where is the $ going to come from? License fees are a tax on firearms ownership, the taxpayers are broke trying to pay State taxes and the whole budget is being picked apart by the Citizens as being unworkable. Yet, 3 men in a room are still negotiating in secret to plunder and rob us.

Methinks they are afraid of what is going to happen soon. OP's are correct, NYS has individual handgun registration as well as licensing. COBIS was a complete failure and the Politicritters knew that, even from the start. It was just a reason to deny the citizens their 2A rights guaranteed under the US Constitution. See, although law enforcement has information as to who has a license or not (reason there is no requirement to inform LE if you are carrying; the information is cross-linked to your NY driver's license and vehicle registrations), there is a great desire by the Politicritters to gain control and rule the masses.

 

[19-3Ben]

How do they not already have a database? I live in NY, and every time I buy a handgun, I have to get it registered on my permit. When I go to the Sheriff's office, they always make a photocopy of the receipt.

My thought exactly. I was operating under the assumption that in any state where you have to apply for and get a concealed carry permit, those names were kept in a database somewhere. Is that not correct?

I once lost my CCW permit card. I went into the Department of Public Safety here in CT and told them. They printed up a new one for me on the spot. So obviously they had my name and number in some database there. Similarly, don't cops know if you have a CCW permit when they pull you over?

It seems to me that there must already be such databases. Am I wrong?

 

[hnk45acp]

Cuomo just put in a new surcharge for speeding tickets that is est. to raise 25 million: via the NYPost:
ALBANY — The state budget creates a new $25 state surcharge for speeding motorists who plead down to the common lesser charge of “parking on pavement,” The Post has learned.

And the existing $80 state surcharge for those convicted of speeding and for speeders who plead down to “failure to obey a traffic device” will zoom up to $88 — a 10 percent increase.

The $25 million annually that the new charges are expected to yield will go to the state’s general fund

 

[gym]

First of all they don't hand out carry permits in NYC to begin with. Having had one I know how impossible it is to get one now. So they could save a lot of money and hire more cops instead.
Out of the 5 boroughs, there is not that much crime to begin with, so why "there" of all places do they need this? Its the psychotic mayor again, he must stay up nights thinking of stupid things he can do. Perhaps if he had a girlfriend or boyfriend, he would find something else to do, like watch The real housewives, or anything to get him off of this obsession he has with running other peoples lives.
I really think he has serious mental problems, as these are not things that "mayors" of large city's do. It's being intrusive to the point of mental illness. I believe he has been shunned by his family, and never see pictures of him "with" anyone out enjoying things. He seems to thrive on this figure he has created.

 

[Ranger Roberts]

Hopefully at this rate, NY will run out of money before they can do anything.

I'm sure they can find a private investor, maybe NYC's mayor knows someone that is anti-gun with a few million bucks to add towards the cause... oh, wait...

 

[tyeo098]

Emailed my NY senator. (Dual residency -_-)

 

[ball3006]

You really don't think that all those handgun applications that have been filled out for over a hundred years got thrown out, do you? Nothing new here, move along.....chris3

 

[Zoogster]

They actually got this idea from recent media attention to such a program in California.


In California they have a database of handgun owners (long guns start next year) that are crossed checked against prohibited persons.
Any serious or minor thing resulting in inability to legally possess firearms results in a red flag that causes them to send a team to collect thier firearms.

In California it includes things from simple assault, to 72 hour psychiatric evaluations that an officer can subject almost anyone to at thier discretion.


It started with handguns in California to.
Then it was extended to long guns.

Probably a similar path for New Yorkers.




This system requires a database that can be accessed statewide which registers every gun owner.
Which of course can also be used for other purposes as well.

 

[pseudonymity]

For handguns in NY, there was no state wide database. Each county holds the records for its own residents. Typically the county clerks office or sheriffs office in each county would be responsible for any actions re: permits in NY. For many upstate counties, that meant that pistol permits were handled in the most cost effective way possible since the upstate counties did not care much for restricting rights, and the budget for the sheriff and clerks comes from county taxes.

Now the NY state police will get a copy of each license over time. The NYSP are funded directly by the same legislature that put all these draconian laws in place, and the superintendent is appointed directly by the Gov. The NYSP is our own version of the Committee for the Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice.

Price is no object here in NY - if we could waste all those millions on COBIS for years, we can throw a few tens of millions at this debacle as well.

 

[Zoogster]

Well there is certainly a centralized state database of handgun owners now.
Registration at a statewide level, provided by local documents, without even having to use the term.


This new registration may also have other unintended consequences now that state officials are emboldened by knowing who has what and where.

 

[Carl N. Brown]

The Canadian national long gun registry was sold as costing less than $100 million.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_gun_registry#Cost_overruns
It developed into quite a scandal, cost over $2.7 billion, and was ultimately scrapped as useless. One way to award your favored ones with big government computer system contracts.