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Well, I went and bought it...

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A Cimarron brand Colt Navy revolver in .36 caliber should be arriving on my doorstep anytime now. I'm fairly new to the cap n' ball game, so I've got some questions, and I hear folks on THR really know their stuff, so help me out!

Here are my questions about this gun:

#1. What size balls work best with this weapon? I've got a pack of .375 balls made by Traditions, is that the right size or should I step up to .380 size balls? Know of a good source for inexpensive balls (I don't cast)?

#2. What cap size should I be using? I've got about 500 Remington #10 caps so I'm hoping they would work, but what is recommend for this particular gun?

#3. What about powder loads? I've got about 4 1/2 lbs of Goex FFFG black powder for the gun, and one of those reproduction powder flasks with the removable spouts and little shut off valve. In fact, it is THIS is the flask that I bought. I keep hearing that 18 grain and 22 grain loads work well with the Colt Navy, but all I see are spouts with measures in multiples of 5. The flask came with a 24 grain spout, will 24 grains take up too much room in the cylinder? What are some other good powder loads and there uses?

#4. Know of any good leather? I'm going to use this gun not only for target shooting, but also as a "hiking gun" and as an accompaniment to my .22 rifle when it comes squirrel and rabbit season, for when the critters are good n' close and I can tag them with the Navy. I'm thinking a crossdraw holster would be good for this lengthy piece, and I would be very interested in something historically accurate like perhaps a Civil War repro holster or something.

#5. Is this model a historically accurate reproduction of the revolvers Colt made many moons ago? Are there many design changes or cosmetic differences versus what was made back then? As a history buff with a special interest in the U.S. Civil War, owning a historically accurate copy of the famoues Colt Navy has been a dream of mine for some time now. Did I do good in that regard?

#6. How would a .36 caliber Colt Navy reproduction fair as an emergency defensive weapon? Let me be clear, I own other handguns and long guns of modern design that I would obviously grab first, but in the unlikely chance the Navy was ever "called to action" against a hostile two-legged threat, would it be a reasonably effective weapon?

Thanks guys! I'll post some more if I can think of any later on, take care! :D
 
Hi, you might try 10 grains to start, the max load is seldom the most accurate. I hav'nt had the 36 but my 45's all shoot high as the originals did. I would check the manual but I bet the 375 are fine, you don't want to large a ball or it will strain the loading lever and only use soft lead. Remember to use lubed wool wads or grease over the balls. Make sure the caps fit snug so they don't fall into the action and cause a jam. Do a search for Eddie May for cast balls, he is very reasonable. While not the first choice for self defense many a man died from this caliber[ of course the lack of antibiotics helped the kill rate]. It looks like a fine pistol, have fun.
 
These people make a great and authentic Civil War holster for your Colt.
here is their web-site;

http://dellsleatherworks.com/full-sizecoltholster.htm


About the caps, well I immediately change my nipples to TOW nipples and they tell you exactly what cap to buy for them. they have never failed yet.

Here is their web-site;


http://www.trackofthewolf.com/List/Item.aspx/807/1


But shoot your revolver a bunch with different loads and experiment. You got yourself a good revolver from a good company.


And congratulations on your decision, you bought yourself a beautiful revolver :)
 
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1. 0.375 balls will work fine. 0.380 balls will work fine. 0000 buckshot will work fine, but are a little harder to seat since they are not pure lead.

2. Remington #10 caps should work fine. CCI #11 caps should also work on your factory nipples. Seating the caps completely down on the nipple with a small dowel, pencil, etc. helps ensure they will fire on the first hammer blow.

3. I use 18 grains of powder in cowboy action competition, but I have replaced the original nipples with Treso nipples, which reduce blowback. Factory nipples have larger flash holes, which allow gasses to flow backwards through the nipple. This can blow cap fragments back into the hammer channel and cause misfires and jams. To reduce blow back, I would not use more than 18 grains by volume in your .36 Navy.

4. The Slim Jim or California style of holster was designed for this gun. Local leather workers can make you a custom job, or there are a number of leather workers on The High Road. You can get by with generic holsters from Bass Pro or Cabela's.

5. You did good.

6. You are going to get a lot of opinions. But no one would want to be shot with a ball from one of these guns. Elmer Keith wrote in his classic "Sixguns", that Civil War veterans considered the .36 Navy to be an effective man killer. Wild Bill Hickok carried a pair, and is credited with as many as 75 successful encounters.
 
I second Crawdad's comment. It can be frustrating trying to find caps to properly fit italian nipples. Forcing too small caps or pinching too large caps is unnecessary and can result in crossfires. Some will disagree but the best and fastest way to get satisfactory ignition is to buy a set of aftermarket nipples from a supplier that can tell you what caps fit their nipples. Track of the Wolf can do that. Call them and tell them what gun you have and who made the gun they will take it from there.
 
Thanks all, keep em comin!

After watching some videos about nipples :eek: (get your mind outta the gutter :neener:) I think I'm going to get a set of SliX-Shot stainless steel nipples because the company says they are made to work with Remington #10 caps, which I have about 450 of LOL! They are supposed to be good nipples, but I'm open to other options if anyone has any recommendations!
 
Call them and tell them what gun you have and who made the gun they will take it from there.

I agree 100% with Pancho. Those people at TOW live and breath muzzleloaders. :)

But you already have the caps so get some type of aftermarket cones. The factory cones in what I have found will flatten out and generally will not hold up to a lot of shooting.
 
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The straight spout method on a flask ain't goin to work right now. Go to any of the muzzleloading web-sites, the Possibleshop, TOW or DGW and get yourself a powder measure. I have one that is real small and built for revolvers. Then you can adjust your powder load accordingly.

These are sweet;

http://possibleshop.com/s-s-powder-measure.html

Scroll down the page and you'll see the ones built for revolvers. :)
 
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Thanks friends!

Well Cimarron e-mailed me today saying the gun I ordered isn't in stock and has a 2-4 month backorder :( sooo, I've been thinking about just getting a standard Uberti Colt Navy. I was wanting the Cimarron gun because I've heard they have better fit and finish than the factory Ubertis, is that true?
 
^ No.

A Uberti imported by anyone is the same as any other. All Cimmaron does is to add their roll engraving to the top of the barrel. Buy any Uberti with confidence. Taylor's, Stoeger, and Cimmaron imports are all absolutely identical.


Willie

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Back in the days of the first Colt's revolvers, nipples were called cones...a politically correct term for that time...quien sabe?
I started out with an 1851 .36 repro and in short order HAD to have a pair of Walkers. 1858s with 8 AND 12" inch barrels, couple of brass framed 1851 .44s. AND a 10 shot Le Mat, You will find it addictive.
 
Willie, thanks I thought so. I've heard from many sources that when Cimarron orders there guns from Uberti they ask for better fit and finish vs. stock Uberti guns. There has been much debate to weather this is true or not.

I got an e-mail from Cimarron a day or two ago saying the gun I ordered wasn't in stock, so last night I found and bought a Cimarron 1851 Navy from Buffalo Arms for $305 shipped. Not bad considering the few other Uberti Navys I've seen in stock were well over that. Cabelas wanted $339 for the same gun before shipping. Cimarron also charged about that for their version that wasn't in stock.
 
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You will fall in love with the '51, the .36 is the most fun to shoot cause they hit what you aim at My 12 year old daughter has no trouble with the recoil of 20 grs
Bill Hickok wasn't wrong, better get 2 of them!
 
Thanks! Mine should get here on Saturday from Buffalo Arms. I've been going on a little shopping spree getting things to make lubricated felt wads for the gun, and other accesories as well as some Slix-Shot nipples for the gun.

I can't wait to fire it!
 
I like the Cimarron better than the regular Uberti I think the QC is "slightly" better. That said I have seen some plain Uberti marked ones that were better than some Cimarron stamped Uberti's so it really depends on the individual gun

Be very careful with the 1851. I got my first Cimarron Uberti 1851 last year (though I have had Pietta's and others in the past) and am now up to 12, counting conversions. They are highly addicting
 
12?? Wow. LOL!

One more day! CAN'T WAIT!

I have all the supplies I need coming in the mail. I AM SO PUMPED!!!!!
 
I hope I am not breaking a rule here but when I signed up as a new member I was looking at a post where there was some discussion of Spencer .56-50 and the Sharps 50-90. I wanted to get in on that so I signed up on THR and now I can't get back to that post. Any suggestions on how I might find it? Or how I might go to where I can properly ask this question? I have tried to search using Spencer .56-50 but no luck.

You have got a good shooter in yer .36 Navy. I have a pair and they shoot well but usually high. .375 balls are correct and you would be advised to get some new nipples as yer pals are suggesting. I also have a pair of .36 Remington replicas and they shoot very well also. I like 'em better than the Colt replicas because they are easier to load.

Thanks,
aggieshooter
 
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I like pairs so I have two each of six different types based on the navy frame and grip in 36/38 caliber still have at least two more pairs to go
 
1. 0.375 balls will work fine. 0.380 balls will work fine. 0000 buckshot will work fine, but are a little harder to seat since they are not pure lead.

2. Remington #10 caps should work fine. CCI #11 caps should also work on your factory nipples. Seating the caps completely down on the nipple with a small dowel, pencil, etc. helps ensure they will fire on the first hammer blow.

3. I use 18 grains of powder in cowboy action competition, but I have replaced the original nipples with Treso nipples, which reduce blowback. Factory nipples have larger flash holes, which allow gasses to flow backwards through the nipple. This can blow cap fragments back into the hammer channel and cause misfires and jams. To reduce blow back, I would not use more than 18 grains by volume in your .36 Navy.

4. The Slim Jim or California style of holster was designed for this gun. Local leather workers can make you a custom job, or there are a number of leather workers on The High Road. You can get by with generic holsters from Bass Pro or Cabela's.

5. You did good.

6. You are going to get a lot of opinions. But no one would want to be shot with a ball from one of these guns. Elmer Keith wrote in his classic "Sixguns", that Civil War veterans considered the .36 Navy to be an effective man killer. Wild Bill Hickok carried a pair, and is credited with as many as 75 successful encounters.

What J-Bar said.

My normal .36 C&B load for Cowboy Action Shooting competition is 21 gr fffg BP (Goex, Scheutzen, Grafs), lubed wad and a .380 roundball.
 
Thanks guys!

Well the FedEx site says everything is on track for my gun to arrive tomorrow (Saturday) I am so excited! I have a bunch of accesories coming for the gun:

Stuff to make lubed felt wads: Durofelt 1/8" thick hard felt sheet 36"x12", mutton tallow, beeswax, and a hollow punch set from Harbor Freight with a 3/8" punch.

From Track of the Wolf I have a Ted Cash snail capper coming, a nipple wrench, 20 grain powder spout to fit my powder flask, and some choke tube grease for lubricating the nipples.

I also have a set of SliX-Shot nipples coming for the gun. They are supposed to work really well and are made to work with Remington #10 caps, which I have about 400 of.

Anything else I need?? LOL!
 
".....20 grain powder spout to fit my powder flask"

Just a word of caution. I would advise against charging your revolver directly from the powder flask, as there's always a (admittedly slight) chance of an ember at the bottom of a cylinder igniting the powder. It is far better to pour the powder from flask to measure to cylinder or, as I & most all competition shooters do, flask to measure to vial to cylinder. I charge a bunch of vials at home before going to the range & carry them in suitably sized MTM Case Guards. If I know I'll be doing a lot of shooting I'll refill the emptied vials during a cease fire. I've seen a powder flask explode while the shooter was recharging his gun.....not a pretty sight!
 
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Anything else I need?? LOL!

Some tooth whitener would be good. The way you'll be grinning from ear to ear you're bound to get powder stains on your teeth.

Have fun!
 
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