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Newbie... CZ?

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jlSully

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Okay fellas... I have to ask. Me being a gun newbie per se. I've been looking at various pistols and such... I've noticed alot of talk about these "CZs". What is a CZ... my understanding is they can be carried cocked and locked like a 1911 or a BHP? It's a single-action gun?
 
I'm not the CZ expert here, as I've just purchased my first CZ myself. I bought the CZ 75 SA, which is single action only. And I was quite surprised at how good the CZ feels to me. It is without a doubt my new favorite handgun.

I think the most common (and most popular?) is probably the CZ 75 B, which is a double action first shot, single action follow up shots design. However, if I follow the line-up correctly, you have to go to the CZ 75 BD to get a decocker for your DA/SA gun. The CZ 75 B does not have the decocker, which means you can carry in single action mode, or manually drop the hammer to get into double action mode.

Any CZ experts should feel free to chime in and correct anything I may have gotten wrong.

I hope this helps!
 
Go look around at www.czusa.com

Most people when they talk CZ are referring to the CZ75 (CZ85 is an updated version). They can be carried cocked and locked, unless you get a model with "D" (decocker) after the model number.

CZ makes (made) a number of other guns as well. The CZ52 was a rather unique single action gun that fired the 7.62x25 round. These are out of production, however, pristine surplus guns are available at exceptional prices for the high quality workmanship you recieve. The CZ50 (CZ70 is an updated model) are also available surplus and are chamber in .32ACP. These are nice Walther PPK knock-off with the hammer drop frame mounted rather than on the slide. The CZ83 is still in production and is a traditional double action .380 (9mm Mak was also available but is no longer imported). It is a bit large for the round, but still is a nice package and enjoys a large following. The CZ83 is also available in .32ACP (although you don't see those as often). There are other fine models from past years but I've touched on the most common. Maybe there's a CZ history buff around that can give you a full rundown.
 
can't go wrong

with a CZ 75BD. Should be able to find at $360 NIB w/ 10 and 15 rnd mag, cleaning rod. Best value in a full size steel pistol.

Welcome to THR
 
Well, for starters the name 'CZ' comes from the country of origin. Formerly Czechoslovakia (don't even know if I can still spell that right) and it's now the Czech Republic.

Import restrictions kept them out of the country for quite a few years IIRC. Not sure if this is true or just a rumor I heard back in 2001.

Prices are on the "up" since this time as they're becoming more and more popular. Supply and demand and all.

Regarding the CZ-75B model and variants of it:

SA mode operation. Trigger's not bad out of the box (but I'm no expert here). Could be better, could be much worse.

The DA trigger pull is pretty long, and the grip setup doesn't work well for small hands trying to do a DA pull.

The grips, by default, are rather wide for some people. not a terribly big deal for me and I consider my hands to be rather small.

The fullsize 75B and 85 versions in 9mm have a 15 round capacity. They've also been made in 40S&W IIRC but I don't know what the capacity is on them.

Unlike the BHP there's no magazine disconnect safety.

The pistols are "confused" though. It's a combat pistol that tends to be very accurate given that the lands and grooves start further back than most others pistols. Perhaps there's another reason for this but that's the primary one I hear. This HAS caused some problems with cartridges that have a longer OAL though. If you experience a problem just send the barrel back in and they'll fix it up. I guess there were some recent quality control problems there. 124 gr Speer Gold Dots were one round that some people had problems with. Mine's never had a problem with them though.

The 75B is made for right handers. The 85 is ambidexterous. Well, at least the safety is -- I don't know about the magazine release.

The magazines are NOT drop-free -- there is a brake in the grip that holds them nice and tight. Some like it, some don't. You can finaggle with this I hear to make the magazines drop free but my own attempt at it made the magazine "wiggle" too much for my liking. If I wanted to hear a gun rattle I'd pick up my AK :)

The P-01 is a compact version of the 75B and the RAMI is a subcompact that's fairly different from what I understand. Internally it might be similar but the profile seems to be quite a bit different. I'm no expert though -- I've never really taken time to fondle either one at any length. Not too many places carry CZ pistols around here. Unfortunately.

Often cited as being the best bang for your buck here too. You're certainly not just throwing your money away when you buy one. You're certainly not getting ripped off -- assuming you pay the typical going rate for them.

They released a 97 recently that is chambered in .45ACP. Not much like the 75 or 85 series IIRC but still considered a high quality firearm.

Every manufacturer turns out a lemon or two, but none of the current production models are considered sub-par by most posters here. Sure, not everybody likes everything about them -- but like I just said, they're worth the asking price.

Try a few models out, see what fits your purposes and fits your hands. If you find a match and they're asking a reasonable price snatch it up. Give it a whirl and if you hate it -- well, it's not too hard to get rid of a well made firearm around here. Shouldn't be at least.
 
CZ-USA and CZUB websites have all the models.
www.czforum.com

is open to any and all CZ owners or fans across the planet.

CZF: Fast, Fun, Friendly, and Free!

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What are you wanting the pistol for? IDPA? CCW? Open carry?
CZ has a pretty good line up. You can't go wrong really with any of them, but some are better suited to certain things maybe better than others.
 
If you're looking for a range/home defense gun then the CZ-75 (any model) or the CZ-97B (.45 ACP) would be great choices. If you plan on carrying the gun concealed you might want to look at the CZ-PCR or P01. The P01 looks like a great do-anything gun. I have a CZ-75B and love it. Nobody ever regrets buying one.
 
For CCW, the RAMI (in 9mm or 40S&W) works well for me. And yes, it can be carried cocked/locked with the safety on. The PCR or P-01 can not be carried cocked/locked (they have no safety), but carried with the hammer down or at half-cock for a DA/SA trigger pull (you can carry the RAMI this way as well).
 
FWIW the CZ 75 line is well worth the money.

I own a CZ 75B in 9mm and a CZ75B SA in .40S&W.

The difference between the two is that the SA model has a drop free magazine and is single action only. In addition the SA model uses a full length guide rod and the B model does not.

I also own a Sig P220 and a Glock 22. The Sig's finish is much better than the finish on either CZ I own - one of which is a two tone and the other is their polycoat black. The CZ finish is IMO better looking than that of the Glock though probably not as durable as that of the Glock. That said both CZ's are more accurate (for me at least) than the Sig or the Glock. At 15 yards from an isoceles firing position I can make a ragged 2" hole with either of my CZ's. With the Sig minute of pie plate is more the rule than the exception. Now the Sig is a 45 so that probably has something to do with my results. OTOH I also have a Glock 22 (.40 S&W) and I get the same minute of pie plate results with it that I do with the Sig at 15 yards yet I can cut a 2" ragged hole with my 75B SA in .40 S&W. Draw your own conclusions.

The trigger pull on the CZ75B in DA is quite long and might cause problems for someone with small hands or short fingers (me - which is why I don't use DA on the B). The SA pull for the B model is right around 4 lbs after putting 500 rounds thru it and IMO is superior to the SA pull on my Sig (I won't even compare it to the horrible trigger on the Glock - someday Glock may actually produce a pistol with a decent trigger - maybe ). The Trigger pull on my CZ 75B SA is a pure joy. It is light and crisp. New out of the box it was right around 3.5 lbs (maybe I got lucky).

My only complaint at all with the CZ's are the sights are crappy with very tiny white dots that are hard to see (and I'm too cheap to replace them). The CZ 75B SA is very, very tight (overly tight IMO) and the breakdown lever pin is a bit oversized which makes field stripping it difficult since it is hard to pop out. One of these days I'll take a bit of emory cloth to the pin and fix the problem (I'm a big time procrastinator).

For a bit over $400 the CZ 75 pistols will provide you with long and reliable service as well as being a real bargain.
 
I just bought a CZ75B SA. I love it. It is very accurate, it is well built, the SA only trigger is very light. The only problem I had is it will not shoot reloads. Factory ammo works fine. I hear good things about the new P-01. I would look into that for sure. It has the decocker, the DA/SA trigger is supposed to be a lot better than the 75B.
 
You can spend more money on a gun, but you won't get more gun for your money. IMHO, CZ's are the best value in guns today. You won't go wrong with which ever CZ you pick. Good luck.
 
I've owned several CZs (and the cheaper yet similar EAAs) and have been extremely impressed overall.

The 75Bs and SAs can be carried cocked and locked (the SA version must be carried C'n Ld) while the versions with D in the name cannot as they have decockers. The lighter weight PCR and P-01 models are also decockers that cannot be carried cocked and locked. I have medium to slightly small hands and have no problem with the first DA pull. Also, with the hammer at half cock, the trigger reach is a bit shorter than with the hammer all the way down. This may not make sense, but it will if you play with one.

For my money, for an actual carry gun, the PCR or P-01 would get my highest attention (and it does - I daily carry a PCR) while for someone that is more familiar with 1911s and BHPs, the CZ75B SA might be the way to go. Really, they are all fine guns for the price... just depends on what you want it for and what format you prefer.
 
Jlsully, me being a newbie to all types of guns and having just gone
through looking at and trying various models, I would definitely recommend that you get out and try the various pistols in hand, and if at all possible at a range where they rent them. These forums are great for second hand information and opinion and such, but you have to couple that with your experience and you'll get that with trying them out.
I did try in hand the feel of some of the CZs (75B, 83, PO-1), and the best feeling to me was the PO-1. And as per above an in other subject lines in this and other forums the general consensus is that they are a good line of guns.

cheers, ab
 
Just bought my CZ75B (9mm) today. Got it with one 10rd mag and one 15 rounder. NIB for $400 out the door. Not bad considering I haven't seen a lower price anywhere. I think I found my new favorite gun shop :)

At any rate, I haven't fired this one yet, but I have fired a 75B and a PCR. Enjoyed the hell out of them! Pointed very nicely and felt pretty good in the hands. The grips felt a little bulky at first, but I got used to them. I'll probably still order a set from Hakan, but the stockers will work for now. The gun was accurate enough to impress me and the idea of owning my own "wundernine" finally wun me over today. I'll post pics later.
 
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