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[Gtscotty]

It should be stamped: Ruger, made in Prescott Arizona, with stolen designs from Walther.

Kinda like most of their other "original" designs. Like the Kel Te...I mean Ruger's LCP. Oh or the Kel Te...errr, Ruger LC9.

Yaaaawwnnn.......

This is a total non issue to me.... if one American company wants to copy, improve and actually produce another company's designs... well I just don't care who designed it, I'll buy whichever version functions better and is made to a higher QC standard.

If Keltec/Walther/whoever discovers a market, and then fails to properly serve the market with adequate quantities of the desired product....Well that's their fault, other companies who see the opportunity, and are willing to give the people what they want should step in and snatch the market out from under them. That's just the free market, you don't get cool points for merely coming up with a design...

Additionally, if Keltec/Walther expects a new design to be very popular, and is likely to be copied, they can try to protect it by obtaining intellectual property rights, and then using those rights to prevent or license copies. If they don't take steps to protect their designs, there is no room to complain if someone else builds off those designs.

Anywhoo, I had a Neos at one time, and while it was a decent enough plinking pistol, if I had it to do over again I would get a Browning Buckmark. The price difference really isn't that large between the Neos and the Buckmark/Mk3.... I think this is one of those situations where it really pays to pony up the extra cash up front.

Edit: When I did own the Neos, I had to send it back for uneven slide wear that resulted in malfunctions, I will say that Beretta replaced the pistol in a fairly timely manner.

 

[Fishbed77]

It should be stamped: Ruger, made in Prescott Arizona, with stolen designs from Walther.

The P22 was not designed by Walther, not is it manufactured by Walther. It was designed and is made by Umarex.

 

[broken_line]

Well I got the gun and decided I hated the trigger after 20 rounds so I dropped it to 2lbs and stuck a green dot scope on it and those pesky little metal squirrels At 20 yards don't stand a Chance! It's had 550 rounds of Cci blazers through it with out a jam or FTF it evEn shoots Winchester match ammo just fine

 

[fpgt72]

Mine has even eaten the super junky green box remington bulk packs. Over all I am very happy with it.

 

[marb4]

It should be stamped: Ruger, made in Prescott Arizona, with stolen designs from Walther.

Kinda like most of their other "original" designs. Like the Kel Te...I mean Ruger's LCP. Oh or the Kel Te...errr, Ruger LC9.

I'm fortunate to own both the P22 and SR22 and while they may look similar at a glance on the outside, the internals are very different. The SR22 was perhaps "inspired" by the P22 but not outright copied. Personally I like both but dollar for dollar I'd definately have to give the edge to the Ruger. Plus its construction empoys fellow American workers. In this day and age I think that's important.

 

[tuckerdog1]

Had a Neos. Fun little shooter. Not nearly as accurate as my Rugers though. The Neos is super easy to take down & clean. Just be cautious running the brush from the chamber to the muzzle. Once the brush pops out the muzzle, your hand shoots forward and gets jabbed real good on the feed ramp. I must be a slow learner. Done that more than once.

If you buy 'new', you won't have an issue. But if you buy 'used', your pistol might be subject to a recall.

http://www.berettasupport.com/neos/

I sold my Neos. Just liked shooting the Rugers more.

Tuckerdog1

 

[Kiln]

Yaaaawwnnn.......

This is a total non issue to me.... if one American company wants to copy, improve and actually produce another company's designs... well I just don't care who designed it, I'll buy whichever version functions better and is made to a higher QC standard.

So you create an original firearm design and another company copies it, claiming that it is their own original design then proceeds to make tons of money off of it because it has better paint on the slide. To you that is acceptable?

I could give a list of designs that have been copied from other companies by Ruger, but it would be far shorter to actually list their original designs.

 

[danez71]

The Ruger SR22: For when you want a gun that is almost exactly like the P22, but is uglier and has Ruger stamped on the side.

It should be stamped: Ruger, made in Prescott Arizona, with stolen designs from Walther.

If you actually look at the diagrams you'd see they really arent very similar.

They are about as similar as Ford and Chevy.

 

[exavid]

10/22, Mark I, III, etc., aren't copies of other designs. Who's copying whom is difficult to state positively, revolvers are all pretty much the same and locked breech auto loaders all operate on the same basic design which came from Mr. Browning in the first place. It doesn't appear that any of the common auto loading pistols have anything original enough to patent or they would. As one who likes to get decent quality for the money I like Ruger. My 10/22 is almost 50 years old and still works fine, Security six is getting pretty long in the tooth and also still works just fine. My plastic .380, 9mm, .40S&W and .45 are all later Rugers and perform very well. I don't care if they are carbon copies of more expensive or cheaper guns, they work well, are reasonably priced and made in the US which isn't a deal maker for me but is an extra bonus.

 

[Gtscotty]

So you create an original firearm design and another company copies it, claiming that it is their own original design then proceeds to make tons of money off of it because it has better paint on the slide. To you that is acceptable?

I could give a list of designs that have been copied from other companies by Ruger, but it would be far shorter to actually list their original designs.

Truth: A company does not own a design unless they take the necessary steps to protect said design.

If a company cannot not bring a product to the market in adequate quantity, or quality to meet consumers' demand, it is totally acceptable, and even desirable for another company who is willing and able to meet the customer's needs to enter the same market and sell as much as they can.

I imagine that there is very little that is patentable in either the Walther or Keltec designs. If this is the case, what in the world is Ruger infringing upon by bringing out superior weapons that look similar and address the same market?

I don't mean to derail the thread, I just don't understand all of the complaints about Ruger's new pistols. If they haven't violated patent protections, what is the problem? If they have, then rest assured, the two companies will work out any applicable license fees in court.

All that you, as the consumer, have to do is sit back and enjoy your ever increasing number of options.

 

[Kiln]

You guys can be content with your LCP (little copy pistol) but I'm going to stick with a gun from a company that actually understands innovation and unique design rather than support a company that really loves knock-offs.

Oh and FYI the MK series heavily borrows from the Japanese Nambu.

 

[danez71]

You guys can be content with your LCP (little copy pistol) but I'm going to stick with a gun from a company that actually understands innovation and unique design rather than support a company that really loves knock-offs.

Oh and FYI the MK series heavily borrows from the Japanese Nambu.

(bolded by me)

Oh really?

Seems you made this post too. In fact, you started this thread.

Alright guys I bought a Ruger MK3 and shot it today, it performed really well but I like to disassemble all my firearms and clean them after range trips...but I'll never take this damn thing down again.
I've got a problem. Alright I took out the mainspring assembly, pulled the trigger to remove the bolt, and the damn magazine won't release. Just to clarify, I removed the bolt and the magazine simply won't come out of the gun. The release button is unresponsive.

What do I do? I just can't figure it out. The magazine simply won't release from the gun and it is stuck. :banghead:

And in this thread you started, you wished for another remake of a discontinued gun.

I know this is kinda random but does anybody else wish that a company would start making the Tec 9 (or Kimel) again? With modern manufacturing and the improvements in polymers it would be a much better weapon and I love the looks...plus it really burns the anti-gun group's ass when a gun like this is produced by someone. In case you live in a cave and don't know what the Intratec 9mm looks like, here's a pic of one stolen from Google images:

http://althouseonline.com/websitephotos/shootingvideos/tec9.JPG
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In your picture with your guns... there are other copies or "heavily borrows from" (as you said above) guns too.


Can you please drop it in this thread and go start your own thread if you want to rant on and further contradict youself?

 

[Kiln]

Apples and oranges, there are no current production Nambu pistols, especially ones chambered in the cheapest round on the planet. This is not the case with half of Ruger's lineup, which are in direct competition with companies who's designs they "borrowed".

The only reason I bought a MK3 is because it is basically the only choice if you want a full sized all steel .22lr pistol. If some other company produced one and Ruger stole it and made it "better" I would still buy the original and support the original company that designed it. I still consider my MK3 a knockoff but the Nambu was never designed in .22lr and obviously given its age and origin doesn't have any type of warranty.

I was just pointing out that Ruger has VERY few original designs and so I'd rather give my cash to a company that actually goes for new products. I was actually replying directly to the fact that a few posts above me, "exavid" claims that the MK series was an original design.

It is a completely different situation with the LCP and LC9, which are nearly direct copies of the Kel Tec P3AT and PF9. Given the choice I'd go with the originals over Ruger's blatant copies any day of the week.

"A" for effort though. You really showed me.

/Sarcasm

Also, lol for digging through all of my old threads looking for something to use against me. Bravo. The fact that you wasted your time doing that is payment enough.

 

[danez71]

Ok, lets just stick to this thread.

The Ruger SR22: For when you want a gun that is almost exactly like the P22, but is uglier and has Ruger stamped on the side.

It should be stamped: Ruger, made in Prescott Arizona, with stolen designs from Walther.

Several posters pointed out that your comparison of the P22 and the SR22 is incorrect.

You then switched your comparisons to other non 22's guns in this thread about 22's when you stated this.

Originally Posted by Kiln
You guys can be content with your LCP (little copy pistol) but I'm going to stick with a gun from a company that actually understands innovation and unique design rather than support a company that really loves knock-offs.

But yet you clearly own at least one Ruger.


You contradicted youself in this thread. I only went back to other threads to see if you were just having a bad day or if this was a pattern. Your own posts show it is a pattern.

Originally Posted by Kiln
"A" for effort though.

Thanks, but all the credit goes to you as you provided your own contraditions; I mearly organized them.

 

[exavid]

Kiln said: The only reason I bought a MK3 is because it is basically the only choice if you want a full sized all steel .22lr pistol.
Browning Buckmark is a gun original to Browning and made of steel. There are of course others but the Browning would have fulfilled your specifications and not be a Ruger.

 

[HGM22]

1. I've noticed that holding the iPhone one handed tends to angle the screen, thereby reducing the surface area of the keys and making it easier for a typo.

2. ku4hx, I think your 8 is a little crooked.

 

[exavid]

Kinda difficult to hold a iPhone with both hands and still type. Oh yeah, I guess if one is an accomplished thumb typist it would work.

 

[Pilot]

Browning Buckmark is a gun original to Browning and made of steel. There are of course others but the Browning would have fulfilled your specifications and not be a Ruger.

The Browning Buckmark has an aluminum alloy frame, not steel. It is however, a fine .22 in its own right.

 

[exavid]

You're right of course, I was thinking metal and wrote steel. At my club the Buckmark is considered a better choice for Bullseye shooting over the Ruger MK series. Mainly because of the Buckmark's better trigger. Two of our regular shoots have switched to the Buckmark. I don't know who Browning copied to make the gun.

 

[danez71]

The Browning Buckmark has an aluminum alloy frame, not steel. It is however, a fine .22 in its own right.

Right on both counts.

Browning says what the alloy is, 7075 aluminum, vs Ruger just says "Alloy Steel" which is like saying "rock gravel".

Steel is an alloy by definition.

The Ruger is a fine gun as well.... regardless that it uses a mystery metal.

 

[Pilot]

Like you said all steels are alloys, also. Ruger's is probably a very common steel alloy used in stampings. All I know is I bought my first MK II in 1991, and it still looks practically new, and hasn't skipped a beat. The three that followed in subsequent years are the same.

Now I just have to find a nice Buckmark to get at some point.

 

[exavid]

I bought a Ruger .22 in the mid 60s and enjoyed plinking and shooting the occasional ptarmigan with it for many years before passing it along to a friend's son. I purchased the Browning Buckmark a few years ago and really like it as well. Both pistols were foolproof and fun to shoot although I do favor the Buckmark, it has a better grip angle and shoots better for me. I had one other
.22 pistol besides those two, a S&W 22A but really didn't care for it as much.

 

[jim2100]

I went through this a few years ago, and final followed the advice that I read on the different forums and got a Ruger MKlll, and never looked back. It was one of the better decisions that I made in life. It is the nicest of the three guns that I have just bought late in my life. Sixt-nine years old, and recently bought guns. Probably like several million other Americans have done in the past three years. You can get 550 rounds of good ammunition at Wal Mart for about $15.00. If you buy that much ammo for say a .380 or 38 spl like the other two Rugers that I own, you are looking at about $100.00 And there is no end to how many accessories you can add to the MarK lll

Good Luck
PS
Also go to this web site. This man is the one that caused me to consider a 22 pistol.
WWW.GunBlast.com

 

[mi77915]

M&p22.