NFA Question, SBR & supressor

[shappy0869]

I called my local ATF office to get an answer and it was like pulling teeth with tweezers. If I want to buy a short barrel rifle and a suppressor (not purchased at the same time), do I have to pay the $200 tax stamp twice and fill out two Form 4s?

 

[Rem700SD]

short answer, yes. They are two separate items. The only way out of it would be if the suppressor were to be permanently welded to the gun, and then it's not likely.

Dan

 

[MisterPX]

Dan is correct.

 

[shappy0869]

Thanks for the replies.

 

[Bartholomew Roberts]

I'd also advise you to take telephone advice from the ATF with extreme caution. If they don't put it in writing, then don't bet your future on it. My personal best record is three different replies to the same question from three different ATF offices.

 

[DoubleTapDrew]

Yep, $200 for SBR, $200 for suppressor.

You can get around the $200 SBR stamp if you are building a machinegun (which has it's own $200 stamp, but a MG can have any length barrel you want without paying a SBR tax on top of it).

 

[Mtdew]

You can get around the $200 SBR stamp if you are building a machinegun

*cough*

not unless you have a flux capacitior and some spare plutonium laying around

 

[Zak Smith]

An SOT of the appropriate class can build MG's.

 

[DoubleTapDrew]

What I meant by "building" is buying a registered receiver or sear and then put whatever length and caliber upper you want on it.

 

[Mtdew]

An SOT of the appropriate class can build MG's

true, but the 07/SOT would of allready paid the $500 for the SOT for that year... since they don't pay 200 for each the statement could not apply....

What I meant by "building" is buying a registered receiver or sear and then put whatever length and caliber upper you want on it.

I *assumed* that may have been what you meant. however to someone who has no idea about NFA the statment could be misleading..

It would of been better to say that if you BUY a machine gun it can have any length barrel..

 

[Amish_Bill]

I'll second that bad phrasing. No Civvy-legal machineguns have been made since what, May of 1986?

As a private citizen you can reconfigure an existing machinegun, but you cannot build one. HUGE difference.

As far as making the supressor a permanent part of the barrel to avoid an SBR tax stamp, that only counts if the final barrel/suppressor assembly cannot be dissasembled into parts totalling less than 16 inches.

 

[gezzer]

An SOT of the appropriate class can build MG's

And would not be asking this Question.

Yes buying an SBR and a suppressor will be two $200 taxes.

Making the same will be 2 separate $200 taxes.

Making or buying an integral suppressed as long as the overall length of the barrel is 16 inches or more and overall length of over 26 inches would be 1 $200 Tax.

Buying a Machine gun receiver or registered drop in auto sear (price will be the same as a built MG) is a $200 tax itself. Barrel length then does not matter as a machine gun trumps an SBR

Guns are not on forms, the form is how they are transferred.

Go to Subguns.com to get educated answers on NFA.

 

[DoubleTapDrew]

It would of been better to say that if you BUY a machine gun it can have any length barrel..

Good point about the phrasing being confusing, I agree.
When I think of MG's one of the things that pops into my mind is a RDIAS or registered receiver for an AR-15 (because I really want one!) which is considered a MG itself. Then you can go hog-wild with any length upper you want right? Provided you are putting it on the lower that sear is in?