TexasRifleman
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Yes that's exactly what it means, a supply that will never increase, only decrease due to breakage etc.
That was the whole point of Hughes, to eventually make MG's just go away.
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Yes that's exactly what it means, a supply that will never increase, only decrease due to breakage etc.
That was the whole point of Hughes, to eventually make MG's just go away.
The dwindling supply of full auto or select fire guns is the basis for most of the cost. Guns that would sell new for $1500 or $2000 are in the $20,000 to $30,000 range. I think the cheapest transferable mg I've seen in recent years was $17,000. But if you're the least bit picky about the kind of gun, expect to pay more. If my numbers are off, somebody correct me. But I just thought it would be helpful to say something more precise than $$$$ or "lots of money."
Like anything, it really depends on the make/model and condition. An SWD M11 (9mm MAC type SMG) can be had for about $3000 to $3500. An M16 can range from $9k for a non-Colt like an EA or a Sendra, to $20k or more for a rare model Colt. Beltguns can go anywhere from about $14k for a non-C&R 1919 to $300k for a transferable minigun.
kingpin008
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You wouldn't. If it wasn't registered in '86 when the window was closed for new full-autos to be imported to/made in the US, it's contraband. Either you dispose of it and never tell anyone you owned it in the first place, or in the case of a war bring-back that you found in attic or something, you might try to hire a lawyer and donate it to a museum or similar organization.
In short, there is no way to "make it legal". It's either already a legally-registered NFA item, or contraband.
TexasRifleman
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You would go to prison for owning it. End of story.
No amnesty, no grace period, nothing. Straight to the hole.
Which is ridiculous because as the WWII generation dies off they are likely leaving behind who knows what kind of historic firearms.
Last year a guy found, from all I could tell from the photos, a genuine STG44 hidden in a wall in his grandfathers house. His grandad had recently passed and had told stories of "some old German gun" he brought back.
Priceless history, irreplaceable, but a felony and worthless. Nice laws huh? Way to honor the vets. Thanks NRA.
Don't get me started........
ServiceSoon
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The problem with so called "amnesty" is you admit to owning the weapons, then if the gov decides you shouldn't have those weapons they know you have them and take them away. See how that works?
kingpin008
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And even if you did, it was recently lost in a tragic boating accident, right? 
TexasRifleman
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As opposed to having guns that you can't do anything with but hide for fear of a life in prison?
That's the alternative? I think I'd rather see an amnesty.
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madmike
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Could such old trophies be transferred to an SOT? At least they'd still exist.
Yeah, I was 19 when FOPA passed, or I would have been buying FA AR receivers every @#$ing month
Yeah, I was 19 when FOPA passed, or I would have been buying FA AR receivers every @#$ing month
kingpin008
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Nope. As stated earlier, if it wasn't registered at the beginning of the '86 regulations, it's contraband. As far as the ATF is concerned that means turn 'em in or face the consequences.
I wouldn't worry. The whole premise of an amnesty is to bring formerly illegal weapons into compliance with the law and allow them to be registered and legally possessed. I've got one NFA gun which was registered in the '68 amnesty. 40 years later its all mine and no less legal for me to possess than a piece of lawn furniture.
30mag
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Yes, it's definitely screwed up... and you forgot to mention voting.
30mag
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Well..
I think that it's outrageous that even sears are that expensive...
So, what's the big deal with machine guns anyways?
Hasn't there practically never (like two) been any legally owned machine guns used in committing a crime?
I think that it's outrageous that even sears are that expensive...
So, what's the big deal with machine guns anyways?
Hasn't there practically never (like two) been any legally owned machine guns used in committing a crime?
ServiceSoon
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I was just trying to show everybody how amnesty could be used as a confiscation tool. It's the cynic in me. I'm not advocating breaking the law.
Can't broken MG's just be repaired?
madmike
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AFAIK, you CAN have NFA weapons repaired, to include mfr replacement of a damaged receiver with another bearing the same number, as long as the original is destroyed. Sarah B was screeching about it some time back.
madmike
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Yeah, that's what I meant--a damaged one can be remanufactured. In the process, the damaged one must be destroyed--can't use it to create another one.
kingpin008
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Madmike - what he's saying, is that non-MG NFA weapons (sbs's, sbr's, aow's, suppressors, etc) can be remanufactured in case of damage, but MG's (machine guns) cannot.
Kind of Blued
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Some Mac-10s go for $4-5K, and Sten guns and Sterlings can go for $6K.
It's still absurd, especially considering that one could manufacture a Sten gun in a couple hours for $30-40 if it were legal to do so.
Specifically, anything relating to laws against machine guns is probably the thing I am most ashamed about as an American, because it's the most blatant example that the Bill of Rights isn't truly respected.
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