Nice response from LEO when i declared I had a firearm

[RevDisk]

Uh. While yes, I think I can understand the officer not wanting to be shot by the homeowner while searching the house himself... He was there approx 15 seconds after the alarm went off?

Or did the alarm company sent the police, and the officer in question attempted to enter the property via the basement?


I could understand the police not trusting the homeowner, because of reasons already cited here.

Uh, one question... Did he know you or ask you for identification? Because if not, he saw an armed person in the house and then turned his back on said person. If a person has one gun, I'm gonna assume they have more until I KNOW otherwise. I'd make sure that person was supposed to be lawfully in that house also.


I realize this might sound like chest-beating or cop bashing, but I don't know the level of training and experience of any police officer. I'm going to either clear the house myself, or leave the house until he's done clearing it and then clear it again myself. Why? It's my bloody house, not his. I am a lot more likely to know all the hiding spots better than the officer. He may or may not having the training I have, but he sure as all heck doesn't know the house like I would.

 

[CAS700850]

Same instructor has also told me that he'd like to disarm several officers, but the cheif and the union won't let him, since they pass the qualifications.

 

[migoi]

Interesting thread...

Thinking about this situation transposed over my current living conditions brings to mind a few thoughts....

I probably would not have informed the LEO of the presence of my firearm. The report, as I understand it, concerned unexpected/unexplained noises outside. No need for the LEO to enter my home. No legal duty for me to inform the officer absent a direct question.

If the LEO had discovered the presence of my firearm and had requested temporary custody for his safety I would have complied without complaint or comment.

As soon as the LEO went back outside to investigate the noise source, I would have immediately rearmed myself for my safety. If the noise source turns out to be an actual BG who manages to overwhelm the LEO (the LEO is not always the winner is such encounters, sad to say) then the BG would be armed with not one but two firearms and I would want to be evening things up a bit for when the BG decides to return his effforts to his first intended victim....me.

Overall the LEO's actions in this encounter sounds like a rote response that did little to enhance LEO safety while doing much to reduce the safety of the citizen the LEO has sworn to protect and serve.

migoi

 

[buzz_knox]

Overall the LEO's actions in this encounter sounds like a rote response that did little to enhance LEO safety while doing much to reduce the safety of the citizen the LEO has sworn to protect and serve.

Bingo. As with most rote responses, the failure to adapt the general rule to the specific situation causes a suboptimal response. If the LEO really thought someone might be in the basement, the first thing to do is to get any innocents to a place of safety rather than disarming them and leaving them in the zone of potential danger.

 

[roo_ster]

Gotta like that response time. The weapon securing does seem to be more a "feel-good" measure than anything else in the absence of a search of Black92LX.

If'n such an incident were to happen at Chateau Ruser, it is likely that my SW1911 would be secured under a cover garment by the time Johny Law entered my tiny abode.

Even if it was secured by Johnny Law (Mexican style with a C&L 1911 ), I'd just go back to the bedroom and rearm with my .357 snubbie and be sure my wife had the Kel-Tec P32 handy.

 

[MikeIsaj]

Let's see, your here in MY house to investigate a suspicion that an intruder has broken in and may still be in the house. And you want me to disarm? This is my house and if you are uncomfortable with my being armed in this situation, you may go now!

Wouldn't it have been safer for both the LEO and the homeowner, to ask you to go outside and wait for them to clear the house?

 

[jcoiii]

Mike, yes. safer for you. Not necessarily for the officer as he/she does not know you.

That being said, if I answered this call and the "homeowner" meets me, I'm going to ID him first thing, while asking him to stay away from the gun for the moment. Once I know it's the owner,no prob. "Please secure your weapon for the time being." But that's me, obviously not the guy who responded.

 

[larry_minn]

So the Officer wants to stick MY Glock down his pants while I hold the shotgun or AR (whichever wife does not have)...... Too bad the dept won't give him a good gun so he has to borrow one?
IF things are bad enough that I will wait for Police to get here. I WILL remain armed until they have checked for intruders. OF course they will have to come thru house to get to where I (hope) to be holed up with wife so mute point.

 

[centac]

"I've seen cops who were highly capable and competent but others I wouldn't trust to be anywhere around firearms."


Funny, one could say the same about civilians........

 

[buzz_knox]

Funny, one could say the same about civilians........

Funny, I thought cops were civilians.

 

[Vernal45]

Funny, I thought cops were civilians.

They are, unless some legislation has been passed to put them under the UCMJ. But, then again, some cops think they are not civilians.

 

[pax]

And that's enough.

We're not going to have yet another (tiresome, annoying, and boring) cop-bashing thread on my watch.

pax