Sometimes it just takes a scare

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Wow! Good to know the "Other Guy's" strategies, like:

My father and brother have a theory that someone was going to break in but were just testing to see if anyone was home first

Sticking a key in the door to appear to "have the wrong house" if they where confronted by the home owner.

My brother is LEO one county over and told me they have reports of this technique being used.

One victim said that after hearing a key go in and out of the door and not turning on any lights to alert the scumbag to someone being home, they just kicked the door open.

Thanks all, for a very informative thread and posts!

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Sometimes it takes a good assault or a good tyranny to wake people up.
 
There is an entry door in my living room, and one in my bedroom (strange, I know, old house) if anyone 'bumped' anything in the middle of the night at my house, they'd see the business end of my .45, real fast.

Speaking of the scare factor, it wasn't so much a scare, as an awakening for me. My wife was 8 months pregnant, I was driving around town, working, and she calls me. I say hello like normal and she replies with sobbing saying, "I'm scared" my eyes about bulge out of my head. "What's wrong?" I ask, and she proceeds to tell me about how some guy was stalking her around the store she was at and left a nasty note under her windshield wiper....instantly, raging pissed; I just happened to be just down the road from where she was parked. I tear into the parking lot and park next to her, scanning the parking lot 360° with a scowl on my face. She hands me the note after I made sure she was ok. It read like something out of Hustler, and at the end the guy said something about meeting him at the parking lot of the store across the street for....well, use your imagination. I called the cops, they got there pretty quick, they had one cruiser scan the other lot and one come question us; they never found the guy.

Long story shorter, that whole episode woke me up to the danger in waiting at every corner. Since then, I've bought my wife a 9mm and me a .45. Our CHLs are in the mail. The 9mm stays in the van, and the .45 stays on the nightstand. We'll be getting a shotgun for the front door ASAP.

It is strange though, I grew up with guns; used to study them, but in my just-after-high-school phase, I kind of forgot about them. Sometimes scary reminders are a good thing.

neviander

I'm glad your wife is OK, and that you have taken steps to protect yourselves. My wife told me of an incident where she was walking to her car at the mall one evening. She heard footsteps behind her, and she turned around to see a man following her, maybe 10 yards behind her (or at least walking in the same direction). She turned around and stared at the man. He changed direction and walked away. I don't know if he was really after her, but at least she had some level of situational awareness. Now she has SA and carries a gun and pepper spray.

You probably already know this, but make sure your wife strives to be situationally aware as well (if she isn't already). If my wife had been less aware, it is possible that not even having a gun would have helped her.
 
High security locksets

I'm sure all the major players have a high security offering. Medeco is one of the better ones, I've heard.

Without getting into details of their design, which they are kind of protective of, their security lock has things moving in more than one plane when it unlocks with a key. So what? Well, it's almost impossible to "jar" something and have it move in multiple planes at the same time. So, the Medeco design is very resistant to bump type attacks.

This is the good side. The bad side is that, with all the precision and whatnot involved, these things cost $100-150 each.
 
"Ah you are just being paranoid, I mean what are the odds that someone will assault you in your own house"?

"I don't know, but it's not about the odds, it's about the stakes"!

Oh snap! I have an anti-friend who does nothing but tell me about the "odds"

I now have an excellent comeback. Thanks!
 
Do NOT stop the paper- now the paper delivery person and all their friends know you will be gone- a favorite method, and especially conducive to long protracted break-in parties where your house sustains massive damage.
Same thing true of mail, except the PO employee's are a few steps up from the paper delivery if you are lucky.
Instead ,have a trusted friend pick up the papers and mail.
 
This is the good side. The bad side is that, with all the precision and whatnot involved, these things cost $100-150 each.

The other issue with Medeco locks is that you basically cannot get another key made for them. At least that it the way that ours (came with the house) is. The key cuts are at an angle rather than straight across the key.
 
Yes, it is almost impossible for a locksmith to get duplicate keys for Medeco locks.

If you are purchasing these, they recommend you order the correct number of keys at the time you order the locks.

They are kind of one-way about security at Medeco, which, if you think about it, may not be a bad thing. Inconvenient, but not necessarily bad.
 
Treo said:
So a drunk would tend to bleed out slower than a sober person.

I don't know about that. I have a good friend that's a tattoo artist and his shop will NOT tattoo anyone that appears drunk because they bleed too much.
 
The other issue with Medeco locks is that you basically cannot get another key made for them. At least that it the way that ours (came with the house) is. The key cuts are at an angle rather than straight across the key.

You CAN get Medeco keys the previous owner just screwed you.

First you are right you can't get Medeco keys at Home Depot, Lowes and most mom & pop locksmiths.

A bonded Medeco locksmith can either cut the keys themselves or (if they are smaller and don't have the equipment) order keys from Medeco directly.

Here is the catch. The contract prohibits duplicating from a key. They can only duplicate from the blind card. A blind card has the code they load into the machine to generate the key. Medeco keys are not traced like most other keys are. It is possible to determine the blind code from the key but duplicating/ordering keys without the blind code card is violation of the contract. A locksmith can lose their Medeco contract and never be able to purchase or install locks again. Most likely the previous owner didn't leave you the blind card so they can make keys for your house and you can't.

Simple fix. Get a Medeco dealer to rekey your locks. No need to buy new locks just get them rekeyed. If you have more than one entrance door they can be keyed alike. The dealer will give you as many keys as you; they run about $15ea. They will also give you either a blind code or signature blind code card (depends on the level of the lock). With that card (don't ever lose it) you can get unlimited keys made/ordered if you need in the future.

Bad news the older Medeco locks can be bumped. Biaxal and the newest M3 can't be but the older locks are pin & tumbler and just as vulnerable.
 
You CAN get Medeco keys the previous owner just screwed you.

Oh - you have no idea! The lock was just the tip of the iceberg. :fire: She actually was going to take the lock out of the door and take it with her, but after we had a screaming argument (while her movers were here - I was standing around with the contract making sure they didn't load up appliances that went with the house) she finally left the lock and two keys. I doubt she even still had the "blind card" as she was pretty messed up. I was going to put in a different deadbolt just in case she kept another key, but it's a steel door and the new deadbolt wouldn't fit the hole.

I doubt that there's even a Medeco locksmith in the whole state of Montana, and if there is, then I would need to take the lock in to him because a house call way out here would probably cost more than a brand new Medeco lock.

If anyone really wants in, they're just going to break a window anyway :rolleyes:
 
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Probably intoxicated. As a side note - alcohol thins the blood, increases heart rate and blood pressure

Ummm, yeah. Alcohol actually depresses the CNS which lowers your BP pulse and respirations. As a side effect alcohol causes the erythrocytes (Red blood cells) to clump up( Thus actually "thickening" the blood) decreasing the flow of oxygen to the brain this causes the "drunk" sensation. So a drunk would tend to bleed out slower than a sober person.

Refferences :
The Basic EMT Copyright 1997 Mosby Lifeline.

A little off topic, but actually alcohol's effects vary by dose and frequency. In the early phases of alcohol intoxication, patients usually exhibit increased pulse, but blood pressure can be either elevated slightly (usually due to psychological influences associated with disinhibition) or decreased (due to cardiovascular effects on the heart and the vasculature). Respiratory rate is usually slower depending on the level of intoxication. Acute alcohol intoxication can also cause thrombocytopenia (low platelet count) which can be a factor in increasing the time it takes to stop bleeding. One of the primary problems associated with acute alcohol intoxication is cellular and generalized dehydration. This dehydration can cause the blood to "thicken" depending on the level of dehydration, and could theoretically affect bleeding times, although I have never really seen a drunk victim of a GSW not bleed "normally." I do not believe that the thickening of the blood or the delivery of oxygen has much to do with causing the "drunk" sensation, as alcohol acts as a direct CNS depressant.

Refernece: Marx: Rosen's Emergency Medicine, Concepts and Clinical Practices, 6th Edition, 2006
Section IV, Ch. 184 Alcohol Related Diseases
 
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I've heard this story before on another site. It turned out to be a drunk kid who lived next door. By the way, why dosen't your father keep a hand gun in the bedroom?
 
Messing with locks takes to long. There are much faster ways of entering a house and taking everyone inside by shear surprise, but this of course requires some training and serious study time. I think I am giving my self away a little bit. Oh well. A pro thief will remove the door all at once, or not even bother with the door at all. Most walls of a house are easier to go through than the door. No one (hardly no one) thinks to reinforce or set alarms on the wall of a house, after all, it's a solid wall, right? WRONG. Door openings and window openings are reinforced against forced entry. At least you hope they are. But any serious force and a door or window frame will fail. And so will an unenforced wall. Pry out the siding, and the corner of the sheathing board (if any) a little insulation, drywall. Now your in the house with minimal noise or exposure. Go to the roof, lift up the shingles (or what ever) catch the edge of the sheathing, lift and your in the attic, again, minimal noise and exposure. A decent prybar will shift any wall stud or rafter out of your way. These types of entries are used for entry when the door and windows are boobie trapped, concrete wall? just a little whoomp and your in. But these methods are not used by your standard LEO, or SWAT. My point is, there is no locked door or window, or alarm system that will protect you or keep you safe. Only you can protect you and keep you safe. By the way, the whoomp to get through a concrete wall, the stuff to make it can be found under the average kitchen sink.:scrutiny:
 
So can one of you knowledgeable locksmith types please tell me if the standard Schlage typ dead bolts can be "bumped".

I didn't think they could, since there's no knob to turn whilst bumping it.

Saw a show on the tube some time ago talking about key bumping, where they showed demos, etc... It's disheartening that anybody can pretty much buy the bump keys on line for pretty short money.
 
I didn't think they could, since there's no knob to turn whilst bumping it.

You dont need a knob, the key is the knob.

This thread is quite old as well but in the meantime Kwikset has upgraded some of their locks with anti bump measures. I think they are called SmartKey.

Schlage locks are sometimes bump resistant depending on the product line. If you have bump resistance and dumbell shaped pins your lock is pretty much beyond the abilities of the average criminal to tamper with.

If you want some of the most pick and bump proof locks out there you almost have to go with a company like Medeco since they have controlled keying. Somewhat difficult to get a key made ( have to go through a locksmith) hence it is also difficult to get a bump key. Look on YouTube and there will be a bunch of videos of people picking and bumping Medeco locks. These people are expert locksmiths and lock engineers and know what they are doing and have access to limitless information on the locks they are defeating.

I would not waste too much money on locks for your residence since a lock is only as strong as the door. Maybe some floor bolts or some other beefed up apparatus.

Next question will be how strong is your door and its frame.

Next will be how good of windows you have.
 
Just a note on alcohol - individuals who are alcoholic - lose much of the clotting properties of their blood - which is why before surgery they want to know your drinking habits - as they don't want you bleeding out in surgery.

This also contributes to accidental deaths - as in a famous movie star who fell and hit his head while intoxocated - the trama to his head was non-lethal but he passed out due his high level of intoxication and then bled to death from his head wound.
 
I've been very close to a home invasion using the bump key. I was sleeping on the sofa next to the front door in my first apartment. I was on the other side of the door waiting to swing a camshaft from a small block chevy, it was all I had. After I heard him pull the key he tried to kick the door in (I had the deadbolt drawn, that is the only thing that saved me.) luckly he didn't make it in. I'm not sure what my life would be like today if that door frame had given up.

That was 6 years ago, I havnt spent very many nights without a firearm near me since then. And you better believe my wife is very proficient with both the 12 gauge and the 9mm. I told her to aim at the biggest part of the bad guy and to pull the trigger until it doesn't fire anymore!

Now today, sure maybe you and I could wrestle with one and win if he wasn't armed. But can your wife? Can your daughter? Your mother?

Someone here said it earlier. " It's not the odds, it's the stakes!"
 
One more reason to have a couple of dogs. Years ago, a friend of mine, who is a paraplegic, was at home, and asleep. His dog, a Rottweiler, was in bed with him on the second floor of the house (He has an elevator). He heard glass break off in the distance, it didn't sound like it even came from his house, but it did, two teenagers broke the glass out next to his front door, and just opened up deadbolt by reaching inside. My friend could feel the air change when the door opened, so he knew someone had opened the door. The dog was still asleep, he always slept very soundly. My friend got his gun out of the drawer, a Browning BDA .380, and then shook the dog awake. All he had to say was "Who's there?", and the dog started sniffing the air and went into alert mode. Almost at the same exact instant, one of the kids pops up in the doorway, and the dog went after him. The house has been remodeled for handicap access, and the bathroom has two doors. The dog chased him into the bathroom, slid on the tile floor, and crashed into the walk in shower. The kid closed the rear door, and the dog was barking and trying to get through that door, when the kid closed the other one, trapping him inside the bathroom. The phone line had been cut, and my friend learned never to let your cell phone's battery go dead, so he couldn't call anyone. The kid came to the doorway again, and said, " Give us your money, and we won't hurt you!". My friend said, "I'll give you a bullet!" The kid freaked as he didn't expect a man to be there, they had seen his mother going in and out, and thought she lived there alone. He yelled to the other kid, "There's a guy upstairs and he's got a gun!", the other kid comes up and walks into my friends' bedroom, and my friend yelled "STOP!", and the kid tossed a hammer at him, and they take off. After my friend let the dog out of the bathroom (He really tore it up trying to get out), the dog went through the house, looking for the kid who locked him in the bathroom, but he was gone. One of the neighbors was getting up to go to work and saw the kids drive away in an old S-10 Chevy pickup, and as it went down the street, he got a good look at the primered paint job on the bed. When he saw the lights come on at my friend's house, he realized something was up, and he went over to see what was going on. He told the police about the truck. The police also found a couple drops of blood from when they broke the window, and when they arrested two kids in an old S-10 a couple of hours later, one of them had a cut on his hand, and confessed when told they had blood and would run his DNA, so he folded up. The other kid was hard core, and he ended up getting 5 years out of it, and the one who bled got to go to the local jail for 6 months.

I have two dogs, littermates, one can sleep through anything, but the other one hears and reacts to any noise that she doesn't expect, from a quick walk around the house, to a full blown "RED ALERT" barking fit. She probably doesn't have the guts to attack an intruder herself, but her brother does, and once he's awake, an invader who would hang around with both of them barking is pretty stupid. Someone broke one of my windows a couple years ago. I didn't hear it, and my male dog didn't either, but the female did, and she went off the deep end. The bad guy never got all the way in, and he cut himself on the glass slightly when he started to come inside and had to bail out. They never caught him, but his DNA came back as a match when he was arrested after attacking his ex-girlfriend's fiancee outside a bar a year later. He ended up getting 7 years for the attack, and he agreed to that sentence to avoid being charged with a bunch of break ins and burglaries on top of the assault.
 
I was sitting with the wife tonight when we started discussing our last visit to an out-of-town hotel. Told her that I'd not been able to chat with our favorite waitress (we're frequent visitors) 'cause she was chasing a guy who apparently jumped the check.

I told the wife that I didn't realize what was going on until it was long gone, and felt that I should have helped. "But what if he had a gun?...." Had to remind her again what that bulge on my beltline is :D....

(I know, off topic.... But it ties with the "you really should carry" aspects of this thread.)

'Round here, meantime, and back on topic, we moved in September, and have been trying to sell the old place for the last few months. The wife has lost three keys, so far, including both of mine.... Turned out that the kid had one.... I'm not sure those $15 Medeco's would be a good idea :D....

During the move, the kid and her boyfriend were in the family room at the new place when they caught somebody looking to kick in a cellar window. He spotted them and took off. PD never found anything. The boyfriend's taken the CHL course, but never got the license....

THEN, the other week, the boyfriend's house got kicked, and he lost four guns and some stereo and computer equipment. My daughter refused to stay there until he replaced the guns. Guess who's down one semi and one shotgun.... :D

(I'm trying to get my daughter to get licensed, but she's planning on moving to NYC. Might as well save the money....)

We have an alarm system on both of our houses, btw, and the boyfriend's got one, but it's not working.... He's moving to Cleveland RSN, so that'll probably be something for the new owners.

(My daughter was surprised to hear that she couldn't even take one with her to NYC....)

Regards,
 
if i recall, schlage makes a pretty decent lock.....

and as for medeco.... ive seen them bumped open by a teenage girl( literally)...

the fact is there is NO lock out there that is pick/bump proof, they just dont exist .......
.......the good news is, most criminals arent going to spend the time and effort to learn how to pick/ bump a lock, there are far easier and faster ways into a house than spending a whole bunch of time fiddling around with a lock.

picking/ bumping is really only a concern of locksmiths who dont want to destroy the lock, im almost certain the guy trying to break in isnt going to share his sentiment.

certainly your house lock isnt something you want to skimp on....but at the same time, you really dont need the uberfortknoxlockmaster 90000
 
Whee! For all that there's good info, we've gone via necrothreadia from scare and why to have self defense to locks and methods to defeat them to anecdotes about break-ins to booze and its effects and back again to locks.

Enough. :)
 
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