Nitrated paper cartridges

[Ratdog68]

I make em up just so I have a reason to go by the local head shop for the papers. Keeps me in touch with the younger generation. I found out "groovy" is no longer an acceptable term in polite young speak. How embarrassing.

Did they like your tire tread sandals while you were getting your rolling papers?

 

[A. Walker]

Try a .54/70gr papercart full a BP on a 435gr .557" boolit and shove it in a Sharps papercutter breech and fire...

Well, I have done this, but when I did I didn't bother to ask about the particulars of the cartridges. Same story... find it hard to believe that 70 grains of BP wouldn't thoroughly consume a cigarette paper, but I concede experience to you.

Everybody has their own methods of making the BP experience their own... I guess making nitrated paper is one of yours. I'm not knocking it; I'll bet it works great. Just wondering if all the effort is necessary is all.

 

[SHIPCHIEF]

Are you trying to get around those new laws that require the gun to engrave the primer and cartridge head with a unique and identifiable number?
Next you will be advocating a way to prevent the rifling from being engraved into the bullet or sabot, perhaps with some new fangled idee, like using a fiberous material that won't retain the rifling marks, while holding the bullet?

 

[Smokin_Gun]

find it hard to believe that 70 grains of BP wouldn't thoroughly consume a cigarette paper

When you grab a Paper cart .54/70 and shove it in the breech and close it choppin' off the end you'd be lucky if a cig paper cart stayed together pushin' into the breech...they come apart with cig papers they are too thin for the breech loaders of them Sharps Rifles. Have had equivlent expiriances with revolvers, but Zig Zags or Tops paper carts in .44's or .36's can work rather well.
I'd just as soon pour powder.

 

[blackpowder bob]

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I use onion skin paper soaked in potassium nitrate.
This is a range box I designed that will carry 50 rounds for a full day of shooting.

 

[alemonkey]

That looks great, BB. You did a really nice job.

I would really like to make the whole paper cartridge thing work for me, but I just can't seem to get them to work in an 1851 Navy. There just doesn't seem to be enough room. If anyone has any pointers on getting it to work with this model I'd sure like to hear them.

 

[blackpowder bob]

Thanks alemonkey
This set up is for my 1863 Sharps. Takes a lot longer to roll them than it does to shoot them.

 

[Jim K]

Maybe I misunderstood, but don't get paper cartridges confused with paper patched bullets. Not the same thing.

Jim

 

[TomADC]

Maybe I misunderstood, but don't get paper cartridges confused with paper patched bullets. Not the same thing.

Jim for us new guys who thought the terms were interchangable can somebody explain and/or post pictures of each.

 

[Smokin_Gun]

My 1863 ArmiSport Sharps .54 Cal Papercutter... Cav Carbine ... Carts

 

[TomADC]

Smokin_gun is that special paper? I'm close to buying a sharps perrcussion rifle.
Need to find out a little more on these.

 

[BHP FAN]

Well Jefferson Herb and I shot my paper cartridges.I hand lubed the bullet lube grooves with TC bore butter right before I shot.fired off about forty .45-70's,and fifteen .54 paper cartridges.my shoulder feels like been tenderized...but I had a great day.

 

[BADUNAME37]

WOW!

What an INTERESTING THREAD!

I could see me getting into this!

Oh no, one more thing and my entire house will fall down!

 

[TomADC]

BHP Fan what's your take on the IAB then? Any sign of blowby on the underside?
Read some place a guy claimed he set a rag on fire that was sitting under the breech.
Targets?

 

[sharps59]

tight gas check plate seal is required. there is an o-ring mod that can be done if needed. Had An IAB at one time it was good. had an armi sport. put a lot of time and money into it to get it to work properly. Now shoot a shiloh sharps. I nitrat adding machine paper. and close the end off w/ hair perm papers. I also use the tubes made by Charlie Hahn.
they save the nitrating and rolling steps. and being made of cardboard are more durable than paper. They also go out the barrel in pcs.

 

[TomADC]

Has anyone tried these? Looks like the powder would be loose in these and everything I read says the BP should be tight or compressed?

http://www.shelltube.us/index.html

 

[average_shooter]

Maybe I misunderstood, but don't get paper cartridges confused with paper patched bullets. Not the same thing.

Jim for us new guys who thought the terms were interchangable can somebody explain and/or post pictures of each.

As can be seen in some pics posted here paper cartridges are just that; instead of using a brass case paper is used instead to keep the powder and bullet together for easier reloading. Upon firing the paper is burned away as the powder burns.

A paper patched bullet is a method in which a brass-cartridge round is constructed with a bullet that has paper wrapped around the base. To my understanding, though I've never tried it, this is supposed to increase accuracy in certain rifles and may help hold more lube. With a paper patched bullet the projectile itself doesn't contact the rifling, the paper does. As the bullet leaves the muzzle the paper falls away.