(NJ) Armed teenagers stopped by police. Report from FoxNews

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I don't think the people they were planning to kill would of cared if it was a HK P7 or a Lorcin that did them in. Rusty lever action or a Sig 550. Its not the inanimate objects that rile me, its the intent of the dirt bags who wanted to do harm with them.

While they sit in their cells and think about what they were up to, I think it would be helpful for them to know that at least one citizen wants them to get the chair. That oughta add some new dimension to their thoughts....
 
If they'd have loaded that lever action tube full of Remington Accellerators and touched one off there's a good chance they'd have saved the cost of a trial for the one pulling the trigger. Pointy bullets are a definate no-no.
 
mjydrafter:
Don't get me wrong, a lever gun, SKS, or a m1903 is a deadly weapon.

So is a Baseball bat or any other Blunt Solid Object :)
I'm not making light of this, but i'm pointing out the Unnecisary 'Demonisation' by the Media of the fact that they had Guns and Bladed Weapons.

If it were Sticks/Pipes/Baseball Bats would they have 'Demonised' those in the same manner?

I doubt it...

Over Here the Favorete for Car Jackings is a 5 Iron.....but does that make the news?
Nope, only if it's a Knife/Sword or Gun...Then they blow things out of proportion....
 
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Can anyone tell me what kind of ammo this is? I've never seen anything quite like it. This was apparently seized from the kids.

Edit: I can't seem to get the image attached. The picture is one I found on the Fox News website at: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,91186,00.html

The images are to the right near the upper part of the page.
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Looks like some of the old RemingtonÊAccelerator, 22 cal bullet in a 30 cal sabot made from, 1978 to 1999.
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"that is the saddest batch of yard-sale-reject firearms to use for a Playstation-fueled killing spree I've ever seen



Looks like my gun collection brown patina and all.

I sure as heck wouldn't want my guns on TV.

I get enough snotty stares
at the range when I shoot my SMLE, Mosin Nagant and 1950's vintage Winchester. Even my ammo is ugly, Egyptian 30.06 that takes 3 primer strikes, WWI vintage 45acp and some .38 brass I've reloaded 50 times and never tumbled.

Some of us have obsolete ugly guns with dented stocks and little or no bluing that certainly would not look good on the 6:00 news
 
Saw one of the cretins' fathers on the teevee Morning Pravda. this am. Said that his son was:
a twelve-year-old in an eighteen-year-old's body.
I hope the dad gets it, too, for leaving guns and ammo out where an ignorant and vicious twelve-year-old could get at them.

That's an area of PRNJ law I'm unfamiliar with, but I'll post it in the "Ask Evan Nappen" board on www.njcsd.org . (For those unfamiliar, Evan Nappen is the most prominent pro-gun attorney in PRNJ. That part of njcsd is members-only though -- but it's in a good cause.)

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Sean,

Glad to see someone got it. ;)




jsalcedo,

I have a Chinese Mauser I paid $50 for that is uglier than all your guns put together, but that's not really funny, now, is it? ;)
 
I hope the dad gets it, too, for leaving guns and ammo out where an ignorant and vicious twelve-year-old could get at them.

I heard on the radio this morning that the father kept the guns locked up. The uncle, dad's bro I assume, claimed that the kid either knew where the key was stashed or jimmied the lock.

Chris
 
I used to have a 1916 win '97 pump that had been in someone's attick for 40 years, rusted, chips in the stock, bought it for $50.00

once I cleaned the oil and dust out and scraped the surface rust off it. it shot just fine at every CAS event and range session I took it to.

ugly as sin. dependable as... as... I don't know anything else that dependable....

do we have a proper list of what this massive arsenal to equipt a army for war is yet? so far most of it looks like the '97, some .22's, the sks, a SA pistol.
 
I heard on the radio this morning that the father kept the guns locked up. The uncle, dad's bro I assume, claimed that the kid either knew where the key was stashed or jimmied the lock.
Now that I think about it, that's not a great situation either. If Dad had to keep the guns locked up from his own adult-age kid, then he had no business having one of the two in his house.

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oh for Petes sake! looks like no mater what the father did someone here is gonna crucify him.

he should have had them locked up, he shouldn't have had to have them locked up, if he needed to have them locked up then he shouldn't have had them.

anyone tell us what the law is in NJ on storage?
 
I'm trying to figure out how daddums could have been in any way culpable for the activities of a son who was old enough to vote. :confused:

Heck, in most of the world prior to the 20th Century, every one of those boys was old enough to be considered an adult. They all would have had their first pair of long pants, donned the toga praetextis, stood up in front of the congregation and said "today I am a man", and here we are dithering about whether daddy had the guns locked up tight enough? :scrutiny:
 
NJ Law on storage:

Summary:

A gun lock must be sold with each gun. The gun must be locked when it leaves the store for the first time. The gunshop must have a large sign that reads something along the lines of "It's a crime to leave a loaded firearm within easy access of a minor"

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2C:58-15. Minor's access to a loaded firearm; penalty, conditions
1. a. A person who knows or reasonably should know that a minor is likely to gain access to a loaded firearm at a premises under the person's control commits a disorderly persons offense if a minor gains access to the firearm, unless the person:

(1) Stores the firearm in a securely locked box or container;



(2) Stores the firearm in a location which a reasonable person would believe to be secure; or

(3) Secures the firearm with a trigger lock.



b. This section shall not apply:



(1) To activities authorized by section 14 of P.L.1979, c.179, (C.2C:58-6.1), concerning the lawful use of a firearm by a minor; or

(2) Under circumstances where a minor obtained a firearm as a result of an unlawful entry by any person.

c. As used in this act, "minor" means a person under the age of 16.

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Notes:

A) This only applies to LOADED firearms
B) Putting a trigger lock on a LOADED firearm is a really good way to cause an uncontrolled discharge of said firearm.
C) Minors for this purpose are under 16.

Conclusion: Daddums will get off with a good lawyer, expect more safe storage laws coming soon.
 
thanks Geek. yah, but the civil suits are gonna send him to the poor house for the rest of his life (you can bet some lawyer is going to find a "client" to sue him for something, pain and suffering, "it might have been ME!" or someone who's name or kids name showed up on the alleged "hit list")
 
From FoxNews:

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"Craig Mitnick, an attorney for Matthew Lovett, told a TV news program on Monday that his client said he "never, ever was going hurt anyone." Mitnick said the rounds of ammunition that police found were more than 20 years old and might not have detonated."
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Ammunition might not have detonated because it was 20 years old?! :confused: - - Where do these attorneys go to school? :rolleyes: Or do they?
 
2C:58-15. Minor's access to a loaded firearm; penalty, conditions
1. a. A person who knows or reasonably should know that a minor is likely to gain access to a loaded firearm at a premises under the person's control commits a disorderly persons offense if a minor gains access to the firearm, unless the person:

(1) Stores the firearm in a securely locked box or container;
(2) Stores the firearm in a location which a reasonable person would believe to be secure; or
(3) Secures the firearm with a trigger lock.
Wouldnt this apply not to the father, but to the 18yr old who supplied the weapons to the 14 and 15yr olds?:confused: According the People's Republik of New Jersey-stan's laws stated above, the father locked it up, and there wasnt a minor in the house to "supply" the weapons to. How is this supplying?

Anyone else see this, or am I just nuts?
 
I see no pertanant reason to let them live. They are complete idiots with no sense of right or wrong. They will come back to bite again. Get rid of them.
 
To be honest I can can have some empathy for the kid that gets constantly
picked on and has a crappy home life.

I was there and spent time convincing my outcast friends not to kill themselves or go off the deep end (luckily they were hippy spawn and had no guns)

Kids sometimes feel they have no place to turn and their life is already over
so why not take the bullies with them.

This shortsighted thinking usually self corrects once highschool is over.

I'm really surprised that this NJ and columbine stuff doesn't happen more often. Thankfully it doesn't

Tamera,

I have a Chinese Mauser I paid $50 for that is uglier than all your guns put together, but that's not really funny, now, is it?

Lets start a "pics of ugly guns" thread and then lets see whats funny;)
 
"Fault" is not a zero-sum game. Every sane adult is 100% responsible for their own actions. So if Dad screws up Junior and Junior decides to pull a Columbine, then Junior is 100% guilty. Dad might not be legally culpable, but I think he bears some moral responsibility for how his kid grows up.

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Some peoples kids just grow up into older and more dangerous criminals... thats all.

Now they all get to learn more at the hands of the older, more wizened, institutionalized citizens under total gov't control for a short spell.

They'll bear watching, I'd say.

Timely, convenient, no real harm...

All the makings of another documentary... and a new law or too.

Adios
 
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