NJ decides 15 rounds should be illegal, 10 is reasonable.

[NJ Accountant]

http://www.ammoland.com/2011/02/15/another-anti-gun-bill-introduced-in-new-jersey/

In response to all the criminals using the NJ approved 15rd magazines legislators decided it was time for action. The new law will change the magazine limit from 15 rounds to a much safer 10 rounds.

The only purpose for currently NJ legal high capacity (15 round) magazines is to kill a large number of people in a short period of time. The citizens of New Jersey will be safer with a reasonable limit of 10 rounds per magazine in place.

The legislators base this statements on absolutely nothing.

In other news lawmakers discuss how dangerous allowing 10 rounds in a magazine is and that something should be done to prevent the sale of these assault weapons only useful for gunning down lots of people.

 

[MaddSkillz]

The legislators don't have to base it on anything.

Just remember, it's all about control. And a government cannot have total control if the people have a means to fight back. It's not about crime, it's not about protection. It's just about control. It's all government has ever wanted and ours is not immune.

They know it doesn't make any sense. But they don't care. They just don't want the people to be armed, period. No matter what excuse they use, that's the truth.

 

[NJ Accountant]

Still gotta love it. The things they say and do with a straight face.

 

[MaddSkillz]

Yup, very true. I don't know how they sleep at night, honestly. Maybe they're mutants with no conscience.

 

[Colonel]

If a criminal has a 15-round magazine, then I want two 30-round magazines!

 

[bartman06]

This is why there cannot be National handgun magazine capacity laws. These guys in New Jersey suddenly 15 is to much and 10 is the answer. What's next 5, 2 rounds? High capacity is a subjective argument and because it is it will always be unfair. This will be the next tool used by liberal and extremest to legislate guns away from America. Mark my words guns are no good with out ammo and ammo is no good without magazines.

 

[FIVETWOSEVEN]

Don't most criminals run around with cheaper guns with lower-than-ten round magazines?

 

[Bonesinium]

I had to compromise the 15 rounds, and thought, ok, well it isn't terrible. I can deal with this. If this passes and it becomes 10 rounds, I won't. I will not give up all my magazines that hold more then 10 rounds. I will move out of this terrible state before doing that. I would rather drive an hour to work one way then have to concede to NJ and it's BS.

 

[NJ Accountant]

Maybe they are hoping to drive all legal gun owners insane with ever changing impossible to understand let alone justify laws.

This way when all NJ gun owners snap then can have proof that anyone who wants a gun is mad.

 

[jon86]

Well said Madskillz.

 

[Kingofthehill]

Did it actually Pass? The article reads "IF passed"

 

[hapidogbreath]

And when was the last time a criminal said while illegally purchasing an illegal gun from another criminal, Oh wait !! This gun is illegal in my state. Do you have one that only holds 10 rnds? Do you have one that meets the laws of my state? When will the Politicians get with reality and I'm not talkin' Jersey Shore or American Idol.

 

[LiENUS]

Why not just make it illegal for criminals to possess 15 round magazines. It's a win win then. Law abiding citizens get to keep their 15 rounders and police get an extra charge to tack on for commission of a crime while in possession of high capacity magazines or something, maybe have an extra month for each round over 10 that the magazine can hold on the sentencing.

 

[Tom488]

Did it actually Pass? The article reads "IF passed"

Hasn't even made it to committee yet.

 

[NJ Accountant]

Well in the great Peoples Republic on the east coast all firearms (this encompasses slingshots, air pistols, basically anything) are illegal.

You can only have by exemption which gives a defense if charged with possession of a firearm. These exemptions are very limited and intentionally vague. The assault weapon ban which includes 15+ round magazines makes possession of an assault weapon an additional charge on top of other charges. I believe it is up to 10 years with a hefty fine in addition to whatever else they get charged with. But you can get charged with possession of an assault weapon by itself and pray you don't have any hollowpoints in your assault weapon.

 

[GambJoe]

I can't figure out NJ. When I lived there they had a 15 rd limit (for handguns?). They had a ban on semi-auto's like Mini 14's, AK's and M-1 Carbines. According to the State Police website you could own an AR or a M1 Garrand.

What the? An AR's are less deadly than an AK's?

 

[BHP FAN]

welcome to Califonia.

 

[pezo]

New jersey, home of such jerks like william J Hughes. Assault weapons bans and strict gun control are losers in all fronts. Politically and realistically. More armed law abiding citizens (especially if well armed) equals less crime. You guys need a serious political climate change in that state. Your states views on the right to keep and bear arms are ignorant and bizarre to say the least. Is their a way to get some lobbying or pro heller lawsuits going there. New Jersey NEEDS some good pro 2nd amendment lawsuits filed against it.

 

[JayBird]

well....NJ is right next door to NY. Maybe Bloomberg has a summer home on the boardwalk down there or something.....

 

[rscalzo]

Howard Hughes

He was from Texas. He never lived in NJ.

M-1 Carbines

Never could figure that one out. At one time they were legal. Now they aren't. No idea how they came up with it.

 

[HankB]

It it gets to the governor's desk, we'll see if Christie signs it.

He seems OK on most things, but I hear he's not very RKBA.

 

[thunder173]

I am so glad I was able to leave that state with most of my sanity in tow,....and I have never looked back. I hope I never have reason to visit there again.

 

[NJ Accountant]

You can have FN-FAL clones, AR-10s, HK91 clones, M-14 clones, AK & AR variants just so long as the firearm in question is not on the list of assault weapons and passes the evil feature test.

The M1 carbine is a weird one on the list since it passes the evil feature test and you can get nj legal capacity mags for it. Reason for inclusion, in reality it was the price at the time. They used to be cheap and plentiful same as their mags. The didn't want the unwashed masses to have access to inexpensive semi auto rifle so the tried to ban as many of them as they could.

Compare the assault weapon list to the inexpensive semi automatic rifles available at the time. You'll notice the AR-10 is missing, there wasn't a lot of them floating around at low prices neither milsurp nor new production.

The antis in nj would be alot happier if a cheap semi auto rifle cost no less than 10 grand and a box of 50 rounds $500. Knock the unwashed masses right off of the gun ownership block.

Most of my friends don't mind that I own a firearm, they just don't like that I own several. They like even less that anyone without a disqualification can get one once they get a permit.

This mentality stems from there belief that they themselves can't be trusted therefore everyone they don't know shouldn't be trusted either. The great nanny state of nj will take care of them all.

Slowly, one by one I am waking my friends up, some have already come around. Just takes time to adjust to the light when you were raised in darkness.

 

[HD_Ride]

This is what the legislators were doing when they weren't passing Gun laws.

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2009/07/former_sen_wayne_bryant_gets.html

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2010/04/former_nj_assemblyman_neil_coh.html

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2010/11/ex-assemblyman_joseph_vas_is_f_1.html

Bryant was active in Florio’s AWB passed into law. Vas was the co-sponsor of the one gun per month that Corzine signed into law two years ago and old Neil had been around forever just voting the party line and probably still be around if he didn’t get busted for child porn. It's sad to say but this latest bill is just a few Dems trying to make points off the AZ shooting.

 

[speaksoftly]

God bless Texas.