No glass, no lasers

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IMHO, if you're using the gun for hunting or paper punching, whatever works for you is what should be on there.... The world won't end (although the folks who hunt for the table may have an argument for me) if you don't make a perfect cloverleaf on the paper, or drop that deer....

However, if you're doing SD, then the simpler the better.... Night sights, IMHO, are not a problem. If you actually need them, they're just there.... If you don't, they're iron sights. I have "XS" small dot's on a couple guns, and while they're a little different, they don't get in the way.... Red dots, or something of that nature, do get in the way....

Lasers, IMHO, are more likely a training aid than something to depend on. It's nice to have 'em, and to train yourself to use them if possible, but there's not a lot of need....

What we forget is that there are two problems to solve with our sights in SD situations: First, we have to have a very solid idea of where that round is going to go. Iron sights still, IMHO, give us more information (wider field of view) than about anything else. Second, we need to get the effect (it's a dynamic situation, so the actual target moves) of six rounds into a six inch circle at 30', give or take. Hair-splitting accuracy isn't necessary.... In many areas, ranges out past 30' (and Tueller was an optimist!) will invoke some magical curse on you because the Prosecutor believes that you should have run away, and ultra-one-hole sighting gear may get you into deep stuff if you hit the wrong thing because you "obviously were equipped" not to....

Just IMHO, of course....

So, for SD, to recap:

Iron sights - generally already there. Might as well get used to them.

Night sights - handy if you really need 'em, but it's your $200....

Lasers - you already should shoot well enough at close distances to not need 'em. But, as a confidence thing, or a training aid, why not? Just don't depend on 'em....

Regards,
 
I shoot several thousand rounds a year at Lever Action silhouette. All my rifles wear a Marbles tang sight and a Lyman17a front. I use the Merit adjustable rear aperture, which really sharpens up the front sight for my eyes, I'm almost 70 and need all the help I can get. I use a flintlock for hunting pronghorns and that of course is iron sights, as was the 1886 Winchester I used last fall to harvest a moose. I use scopes also when the situation warrants.
 
I shot with irons for over fifty years. Thought scopes were for folks who didn't know how to shoot. Then old age kicked in....
 
I use Irons, Red Dots, fixed, and vari-power scopes. It depends on the gun, the application, or just what I'm in the mood for. I'm just getting into some long range shooting so I'm looking into higher power scopes. To the guys that fire ARs in competition @600yds. with iron sights, my hat is off to you.


ArthurDent,
How did you like the Appleseed Shoot ? We've got a couple coming to my area. Since I'm self taught I'm thinking about attending.
 
All I have is a 100 year old rifle with target sights. I chose this rifle after visiting the range and only seeing scoped hunting rifles and ar15's w/ accessories out the wazoo on the 100 yard line. Come to think of it ... a guy next to me with a Sig 556 shot 120 bullets and only 1 hit his target at 100 yards yesterday. This of course being because his red dot was low on battery and he couldn't operate the stock BUIS too well.

I'm not against scopes at all. It just seems they have become quite the crutch for an easy task like 100 yards. Scopes have their place, but so does basic marksmanship skills such as mastering iron sights.
 
I'm 32 and I have only one gun with glass on it, the one I use to shoot 1000 yarders with.
 
All my defensive firearms are iron sights only, distances are short. I also have iron sights on most of my target firearms. On the other hand, my rifle cartridge Contenders have scopes as do some of my long range guns.
I learned a lot by putting a scope on my .22 prone rifle, I could see how important it was to hold the rifle still and work the trigger very easy. It improved my iron sight shooting quite a bit. Scopes are a good thing.

Thanx, Russ
 
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