NO Looters step up to ambush..........

[hillbilly]

NOLA Looters step up to ambush..........

I don't think people realize just how ugly and nasty it's going to get in New Orleans in the short term.

There are much bigger problems than looting about to break out.

Below is an excerpt from a breaking Fox News story.

This is total breakdown of everything. The worst of human nature is now ruling the flooded streets of New Orleans.

I think Joseph Conrad, who wrote "Heart of Darkness" had a quote that will apply here. He quipped that the concetp of a Satan was quite unnecessary as human beings were quite capable, all by themselves, of every imaginable evil.

This is the real problem with the much-talked-to-death SHTF scenario.

When the S Hits the F, the absolute worst of human nature comes out as there is no structure and no authority to keep it under control.


hillbilly


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,167781,00.html


"As looters stripped stores of items, sometimes in front of police, violence broke out in the Big Easy. At around 11 p.m. EDT, two gunmen with AK-47s fired shots into a police station. No one was hurt, and the men fled into the city's French quarter section"

 

[el44vaquero]

I've been thinking.

As I was watching the news I was thinking about those folks walking around in New Orleans in the dark. The cops are stretched thin as it is. I was thinking I would really want to have my CCW with me if I was down there.

 

[GunGoBoom]

NO Looters step up to ambush

what ambush? what do you mean?

 

[hillbilly]

Two looters took semi-auto rifles, and attacked the PD.

While ambush does have one definition as a very specific military attack tactic, it also has another definition as being a completely unexpected, surprise attack. For example, "Rosie O'Donnell ambushed Tom Selleck over his NRA membership during a television interview."

When I wrote "ambush" I meant the latter meaning.........One word "ambush" fit into the title better than "Looters spring attack on NO PD building with pair of semi-automatic rifles."

hillbilly

 

[TarpleyG]

Why does this not occur in other parts of the country when there is massive flooding? Why am I not hearing reports of massive looting and shootings in MS right now? Is/was NO that much of a cesspool?

Greg

 

[BenW]

The looters kinda remind me of the cannibal gangs in "Lucifer's Hammer".

 

[armoredman]

Is/was NO that much of a cesspool?

According to a fellow officer who spent quite some time there, yes.

 

[GunGoBoom]

ok, hillbilly, I was confused because when you said "step up to" an ambush, I interpreted that to mean that THEY were the ones walking INTO ('stepping up to') an ambush, not vice versa. Gotcha.

 

[rick_reno]

I suspect a lot of the people who stayed behind did so to take advantage of the situation they knew would exist after the storm passes. Petty criminals who knew that looting would be possible.
I'm convinced the majority of the stuff these people are taking from the shops are things that will be written off by the owners as part of their insurance settlement. If it's a write off, who cares if they take it? The police need to concentrate on saving lives - not saving stuff in stores. Stuff is replaceable, human lives are not.

 

[Daniel T]

Why does this not occur in other parts of the country when there is massive flooding? Why am I not hearing reports of massive looting and shootings in MS right now? Is/was NO that much of a cesspool?

Population density. Somewhere north of 500,000 people lived in NO alone. When was the last time a major city was flooded this badly?

 

[Pilgrim]

Is/was NO that much of a cesspool?

My recollection of New Orleans many, many years ago was driving along a modern, city street, then turning off the boulevard and immediately finding myself in what resembled a 'third world' neighborhood.

Pilgrim

 

[antsi]

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I'm convinced the majority of the stuff these people are taking from the shops are things that will be written off by the owners as part of their insurance settlement. If it's a write off, who cares if they take it?
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I guess you don't have to pay for insurance on anything.

For the rest of us, though, anything that results in an insurance payout ultimately results in money out of our pockets in the form of higher rates.

 

[Borachon]

Why am I not hearing reports of massive looting and shootings in MS right now?

One reason is that a lot of people are dead. Everything else is destroyed.

I don't know if they are keeping this info to themselves, or why they are keeping it quiet but there are a LOT more people dead here than 125 like they are saying on the news.

 

[MuzzleBlast]

I'm convinced the majority of the stuff these people are taking from the shops are things that will be written off by the owners as part of their insurance settlement. If it's a write off, who cares if they take it?

I DO.
Looters should be shot, not because they are stealing things, but because they are looters. A person so devoid of decency and restraint that they would use a disaster as an opportunity to steal is a person with whom I don't want to share my planet.

 

[elric]

I DO. Looters should be shot, not because they are stealing things, but because they are looters. A person so devoid of decency and restraint that they would use a disaster as an opportunity to steal is a person with whom I don't want to share my planet.

Exactly, its not the monetary value of the item, but the opportunistic prey on others attitude that deserves the shooting. That attitude needs to be nipped in the bud before it spreads. Those people have no place in our society. Make a few examples of the worst offenders, and the looting stops.

 

[Zundfolge]

A person so devoid of decency and restraint that they would use a disaster as an opportunity to steal is a person with whom I don't want to share my planet.

Well stated.

Just like shooting an armed robber is NOT "killing someone over $20", shooting a looter is not shooting them because of what they are stealing.

 

[Kaylee]

Dang..

first, I recall saying some time back that I didn't think another attack would result in this kind of thing, remembering how wonderful we all to each other after 9/11. I know is isn't the same as a terrorist attack, but nonetheless... I was wrong. I apologize.

And that said.. I agree the looters should be shot on sight*. Not because of what they steal, but because of what they've shown themselves to be.


-K


* with the possible exception of those looking for true necessities of life, and who aren't actively taking from other occupied homes. In which case, the decent thing to do would be to leave info or return after things have returned to stability to settle up accounts.

 

[LAR-15]

Aside from medicines, water and foods, there is nothing else you need to be taking.

I could see taking bottled water from a store but that's about it.

 

[dpesec]

I agree looters should be shot.
I don't know why once it became apparent that the city would flood LE did't get get most of the food, water and stuff and create a central depot.

I understand the logistics and the adminstirative hastle. Oh well I guess there's no use in saying what could have been

 

[gc70]

I don't know why once it became apparent that the city would flood LE did't get get most of the food, water and stuff and create a central depot.

The reality was that they were too busy searching all of the people trying to get into public shelters to do something like that..

 

[Taurus 66]

[GERE] We must not shoot looters. Instead we need to prepare indictments but offer therapy and understanding for these people. [/GERE]

 

[dpesec]

GC70,
There was almost a complete day before the leeves started to breakdown. Then it took almost another day before the water became a major problem.
Surely somebody should have known what the afternath would be.

I would like to point out that none of this happened after 9/11?

I agree that locating people is the first job, but then again there has to be plans to continued services.

 

[jnojr]

I was thinking I would really want to have my CCW with me if I was down there.

Screw a CCW! I'd be carrying, period. If this happened in San Diego... widespread looting, no police, etc., obeying a stupid law would be the last thing on my mind. I'd carry, probably openly, and if out in the open would probably have a rifle as well.

 

[longhorngunman]

Damn, shootings, looting, rape, murder, thugs running through the streets, no civil order, disease, utter destruction. I'm sorry, it's time the U.S. pulled out of New Orleans. There's no hope to save it, the people will never accept civility and Democracy, we need to get out while we still can .

Bttt, Putting on my heavy duty flame suit. Oh, luckily it's also waterproof.

 

[BenW]

Interesting portion of a story just posted on Yahoo news:

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Managers at a nursing home were prepared to cope with the power outages and had enough food for days, but then the looting began. The home's bus driver was forced to surrender the vehicle to carjackers.

Bands of people drove by the nursing home, shouting to residents, "Get out!" Eighty residents, most of them in wheelchairs, were being evacuated to other nursing homes in the state.

"We had enough food for 10 days," said Peggy Hoffman, the home's executive director. "Now we'll have to equip our department heads with guns and teach them how to shoot."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050901/ap_on_re_us/katrina_looting_hk1