Law-Abiding Citizens Take Up Arms To Defend Against Looters

[Smurfslayer]

Where are the civil rights leaders?

Where's Jesse Jackson? Where's Al Sharpton?

Where's good ol' Sarah Brady to tell everyone how bad guns are?

Most important of all, where are all the NO supporters of gun control? Let them put their money where their mouths are by putting up their
"This is a gun free zone" sign...

 

[Delmar]

I can tell you where Rev Al was on Sunday-he was in Texas to be at Cindy Sheehan's side. His stretch limo was pulled over on I-35 north doing an estimated 110 MPH. Al got out and hitched a ride to DFW airport.

For some men of the cloth, the "poverty oath" entitles you to some nice rides!

 

[TheEgg]

OOPS, stepped on a moderators toes I guess. I am out of here.

 

[geekWithA.45]

Preacherman +3

I do, however, consider the disgraceful, unprepared state of many elements of the NOPD to be worth noting as making a bad scene worse.

When it comes time to reconstitute the city of New Orleans, this needs to be rectified.

 

[22-rimfire]

I can not in a million years understand how anyone can attach any "blame" to our president in this. Do you think they just sit around in Washington and say to themselves... gee a hurricane is coming and we need to open the strategic oil reserve?? What do ya think? The strategic oil reserve is supposed to be reactionary. There wouldn't be any reserve if it wasn't. Refinery capacity is the problem in addition to oil and gas production issues in the Gulf area.

Looters: It appears that many of the remaining people in New Orleans were probably mostly on welfare to begin with based on my observations. I heard one woman say about looting to a reporter.... "payback". That just irritates the h*ll out of me. I think she needs to be paid back with a prison sentence or a bullet. That is payback. This applies to all of the looters who are looting anything other than food or water. I feel sorry for these people, but they were repeatedly warned to leave for two days. Now they want to get "payback" from the "rich" American business community.

And what does Al Sharpon, Jesse Jackson, or Sarah Brady have to do with any of this?

 

[BeLikeTrey]

So everyone in the media is smarter than Bush or ALL of his advisors then?

They had been announcing that oil prices were going to skyrocket and worried about looting... Does the president have inept aides? Perhaps he should've hired Fox News or CNN repoters. They said to be prepared but Bush wasn't? please.... They were fore-telling this for a week. Bush could've had his oil reserve opened and ready to "roll" as he likes to put it. He could have made a temporary price cap to keep people from Gouging, though that wouldn't have been necessary had he opened up the reserves and had it ready.

But this is getting to be a theme for this administration, which is why I'm so disappointed. Ignore issues until you can't ignore anymore.

The border,

this current problem, (having guard units in place)

The current oil problem,(granted, I blame Democrats equally for this with the whole ANWR thing)

Heck, Fema has been warning about the flooding danger for at least a few years in this city. (their budget was cut)

 

[sarge83]

There is a simple solution to those looting items other than food and water. Send in some helicopters with a PA and announce anyone looting anything other than basic necessaties; food, water and the like will be shot on sight, there will be no arrests. Send in the police and National Guard and do it. The looting will stop.

The police have better things to do than round the scum up and arrest and hold them in temp jails, and by shooting them you do society a favor in the long run. Yeah it's ruthless but this is disaster and lots of people have died and more are going to die and eliminating these vermin of humanity will speed up help and save others who might die at their hands.

As for the race issue, that's irrelavant; black, white or piss green if you are looting and rampaging after a disaster like this you need to be eliminated from society.

 

[Byron Quick]

I can come up with all kinds of lists of items and facilities that I need in a disaster. Then I have to work it into a real life budget and boy, do things get cut.


It's real easy to say this should have been done and that should have been done years ago.

Hey, they knew that New Orleans was below sea level. They should have filled it in starting decades ago. Only one problem...do the math as to yards of material.

We ought to have refineries that we ordinarily have no use for and which make no profits just hanging around until we need them. You might do that for a while. Then diminishing resources will halt your efforts.

 

[JohnBT]

"So everyone in the media is smarter than Bush or ALL of his advisors then?"

Sure they are, and so are a lot of the people posting on the internet, too.



John

 

[BeLikeTrey]

All I am saying is at least a little pre-emption. You act like this is rocket science...

Oil prices will go up, not all refineries in this nation are at 100% capacity, we had the means and didn't use it.

Plans were in the works for the levies but I can send you the most current story to which I am sure you're aware that the budget was cut for NO and their plans to revise the system.

 

[Standing Wolf]

He said that the "nervous energy" in New Orleans reminded him of the 1968 Democratic National Convention in Chicago.

It's the looter party, after all.

 

[Jeff Timm]

BeLikeTrey commented, "Oil prices will go up, not all refineries in this nation are at 100% capacity, we had the means and didn't use it."

Unfortunately, we have been running all our refineries at nearly 100% capacity for a long time. The EPA won't freeze the requirements long enough to build a new one. As I recall a refinery should operate at 75-80% capacity for best reliability and safety.

Geoff
Who wishes he could operate at 100% of capacity.

 

[Jeff Timm]

I am writing my Congresscretins, I do NOT support rebuilding NO with my tax money in the same spot.

The river should be allowed to change naturally, but we can't afford that, so we need to minimize risks by building New New Orleans upland, and well above sea level. Rearrange the port of NO to be better for ships and move in the people by fast mass transit.

Geoff
Who figures this will not happen and the government will do stupid things as usual. :banghead:

 

[Sleeping Dog]

Whatever the heck happened to habeas corpus, due process, illegal imprisonment etc.

All the judges and lawyers are WELL away from NO. They are generally pretty smart.

So why weren't price caps or oil reserves freed up in preparation why was this reactionary instead?

The oil reserve is a symbol, not enough to matter much. I'd leave it where it is. Besides, much of the shortage is due to refining capacity and distribution capability. That takes time to restore.

 

[GlenJ]

The goverment should have freed up the oil reserves and they could have mobilized the national guard and had tent cities set up for the victims the way they were set up when all the Cubans came here in the 80's. Perhaps the right people should have paid heed when the FX movie Oil Storm was aired. We commit are troops in a moments notice to an overseas crisis but here in the USA we wait until after the fact.

 

[Tokugawa]

we are long past the time when a proclaimation "looters will be shot" can be made. This would be an invitation for every shyster to sue every agency of the US for violating the "victims" "rights". And win.

 

[PaulV]

had tent cities set up for the victims

Before the hurricane hit? 150 mph winds + tents = ?

 

[Igloodude]

If the Mississippi reroutes like the Army Corps of Engineers prays it doesn't (and backs up the prayers with some serious engineering), the Port of New Orleans is screwed anyway. Might as well let the Mississippi reroute and build NO2 wherever it ends up connecting to the Gulf.

 

[ReadyontheRight]

Translation: We didn't know that there wouldn't be government givaways of free food/water/lodging/electricity/sanitation, etc. The goverment teat has never run dry before. We thought we would be escalated in status as 'victims.'

Mr Bowman -- You nailed it.

The chickens have truly come home to roost.

I think we need to make "The Chickens Have Come Home to Roost" a SHTF lesson we all must adopt and apply to the sad tragedy in New Orleans, 2005.

Over the years, Entitlements have created a class of criminal that doesn't even understand the concepts of "Good", "Right", "Honor", etc...

"No Cops Around?...Hell, I can Do Whatever I want!!!!"

That's got to stop.

 

[craig]

this reminds me of andrew in 1992. yes there was some looting but it got stopped fairly quick and never got out of hand. why you ask? because most of the people who lived there took care of the looters. some looters were shot, some beaten, some killed, and not all of them by the police. as for the relief efforts, the gov. looks like it hasn't learned a thing. it took a week then for them to even begin to get it together, and it's taking about the same now. what else would you expect from "government workers?". improvement in response time?

 

[gotbass]

With all due respect to all who have posted, yes even Egg and BeLikeTrey, I suggest that you go back and read the posts by Preacherman and 22-rimfire. These are two gentlemen who thought before posting and didn't fall into the trap of Monday morning quarterbacking a game that they know little to nothing about and what little they know they got from the press. There is no such thing as a fool proof contingency plan, as we all know or should know sh** happens. How many have never had a missfire, squib load, stove pipe or some other unforseen event. Let's wait a month or two and see how things are going and then take a breath before beating our gums second guessing folks that are doing the best they can. The fact that hindsight is 20/20 does not make you any smarter than the guy you are critizing. Oh yes, gas supply is determined by our lack of refining capacity and you can thank the tree huggers for that and for the problems with new levies, and any other public improvement that has to turn a shovel full of dirt. End of low value opinion. Flame on.

 

[Nimitz]

knew about this hurricane a week before it made landfall in Florida, much less stewed in it's juices for a few days in the Gulf of Mexico before hitting La, Ms. and Al."

So why weren't price caps or oil reserves freed up in preparation why was this reactionary instead? Also CNN and other sources have been saying for awhile that if this area is hit it will effect our oil supplies. Fema was saying for years about the pump capability vs flooding possible here for awhile. I really really really wanna know what our government was thinking. (note: I am not your typical Bush basher- I voted for him twice because I thought he would do a great job not because he was the lesser of two evils.. Boy was I wrong in thinking he could handle ANYTHING resembling domestic policy)

a week? NO. this was a VERY unpredictable hurricane...it went froma Depression to a category 5 in under 48 hours.

it hit here (5 miles away) around friday-friday night.

thats not a week considering it hit them monday morning around 3am.

also how the hell can you open the reserves...predicting hurricanes if you had 1 iota about predicting hurricanes you'd know this!

this hurricane could of headed for mexico for all they knew.

FEMA and the Army engineers have been talking about this for YEARS...yes your right. but no one did anything thats not their fault! thats the damn states!

I'd REALLY like to see what you would do in such situation.

lets here your answers to all the problems.

Chad

 

[Nimitz]

and for everyone bitching about the govt. aid taking a week to get there...

uh how exactly are they suppose to get there? a canoe? kind of hard to set up triage hospitals and comand posts when 80% of the city is under 20 feet of water....

also extremely hard when your being shot at as well.

you guys seriously need to back off...they are doing everything they can and more...what do you expect after the worst hurricane in over a century to the most vunerable region in this country?....

Chad

 

[Smurfslayer]

And what does Al Sharpon, Jesse Jackson, or Sarah Brady have to do with any of this?

Al & Jesse are self appointed civil rights leaders. Like it or not, they hold the power over many in this country to either become unrestful, or calm. Where are they? Why aren't they out there, in the city calling for calm?

It' shouldn't be only the government's responsibility here.

And Sarah Brady? I want to hear her shrill cries for gun control there as well. I want her down there practicing what she preaches is for the greater good right in the heart of down town NO. If she did, since nobody would listen, would it even make a sound?

 

[BeLikeTrey]

+100 GlenJ

Exactly what I'm saying ! seems some on this board think that's expecting too much.. How dare we ask somone who is in charge of this country to actually be qualified to run it (or the people he has hired to plan for this sort of thing). The apologists are just too much. We had a week to prepare and we didn't. And the smart-butt comments that came to the effect of how dare you question our president make me a little ill.

and PS I told you what I'd do... for those that ask...

Open the oil reserves early enough to get it in the supply chain that was not in danger... even if the hurricane passed us by, the added oil to the supply, before I cut the reserves again if it didn't hit, would help at the pump. Couldn't have hurt.
Stage troops and all supplies possible (and have others on ready to deploy) nearest inland to jump in as soon as the storm dissapated to a depression. Navy following immediately behind the hurricane... I got lots of idea any one of which would've helped. Don't be so hard headed in thinking a little more could've been done. I don't buy those excuses...