No More Cocobolo Grips

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Meh. There are so many great woods that do not have allergy issues associated, it doesn't really bother me even slightly. I've never had the desire for cocobolo, as I do tend ot have allergies and would likely be one of those who breaks out after having the grip of the gun against my body for too long during CCW.

I'll just stick with maple, walnut, rosewood, and other woods as I have always done.

The gun world existed long before anybody had heard of cocobolo, and it will exist long after we stop using it. Somehow, I think everyone is gonna survive this crisis.
 
I'm actually not a fan of cocobolo.
I like maple, cherry, myrtle, mahogany, holly, walnut, etc.
 
Quick comparison:
Torian has what is likely a "high latitude" cocobolo for his stocks, as can be seen by the highly contrasting orange/black grain lines, often seen in Guatamalan wood. The attached photo of the freshly-rasped grip of my project stock is of this variety (this is Mexican and particularly orange. the cheek/forearm is a wood called Jatoba). While Cocked & Locked has what I have seen from equatorial cocobolo; extremely dark red that is (once oxidized) almost indistinguishable from the black veins. The latter tends to be denser and less prone to splitting/tearing of grain when carving (neither really has this tendency, though). The other attached photo is of a drawing board I made a while back (fyi, use way more ventilation than you think you need when applying lacquer ;) )

In small doses, like when hand-sanding or rasping, Cocobolo does not bother me, and I actually find the "cinnamon" smell it has rather pleasing. I've always been surprised it isn't marketed as an aromatic wood or oil, since a ton of it could easily be harvested for ladies' candles and whatnot from a single plank :D

The few times I have used powertools on it, was using a router, and I found it machines almost like plastic; the grain so tight and swirly that there basically is no grain. The oily stuff also self lubricates cutters pretty well, unless you get them hot enough. However, I had the worst itching and flu symptoms for several days afterward --through skin/eye exposure, since I was wearing a mask!

A few fun facts about this wood to know(since I'm sure more than a few reading this will rush out and get some to play with before its gone):
-Cocobolo, and other dalbergia genus woods cannot be glued or finished easily. Their oils will keep polyurethane compounds from ever curing. To glue it, something like Gorilla glue (as in the joints of the drawing board) or Titebond III (as in the laminated gun stock) must be used. To finish, lacquer/shellac or other non-curing (evaporating solvent) coatings must be used, since the oils impede urethanes (big bummer for gunstocks that you want to keep totally protected)
-If left unfinished, cocobolo is plenty tough enough to take abuse, and will maintain a burnished shine. However, as it oxidizes, the red hues darken into browns, and the lustrous "tiger eye" effect seen in freshly cut wood hazes over. UV and oxygen are the causes of this; lacquer will stop the latter, but not much can be done to stop UV exposure if the item is to be used outdoors :(. The aged color isn't ugly or anything, it just isn't near as vibrant as what you start with (my gunstock fades to a very dark brown that looks totally different very quickly, so I have to decide to scrape/burnish the thing all at once for lacquer, or let it sit for a few months to get an even patina, or let it go dark by leaving it unfinished)
-Cocobolo is denser than water, so it's that much easier to lose your BBQ guns in a boating accident :D
-Cocobolo is an excellent tonewood; marimba keys are (were) made from it frequently --even more desirable than rosewood or mahogany. The 4ftx10"x.75" plank the stock was built up from resonated long at a loud 30Hz or so--it was like a dang subwoofer if you smacked it hard, and difficult to hang on to :D

"I like maple, cherry, myrtle, mahogany, holly, walnut, etc."
Though it's not really what these fancy stocks are meant for, cocobolo is probably better at a beat-down than maple and walnut put together :D. I finally got around to carving on walnut a while back, and I must say it is a dream to work with too, and far faster to shape. I wish Holly came from bigger trees, so I could make some "easy" winter camo for my rifles :cool:

Anyone in the DFW area been by Wood World or a Rockler to see if they still have any in stock (I'm sure it's already gone :()?
 

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Quick comparison:
Torian has what is likely a "high latitude" cocobolo for his stocks, as can be seen by the highly contrasting orange/black grain lines, often seen in Guatamalan wood. The attached photo of the freshly-rasped grip of my project stock is of this variety (this is Mexican and particularly orange. the cheek/forearm is a wood called Jatoba). While Cocked & Locked has what I have seen from equatorial cocobolo; extremely dark red that is (once oxidized) almost indistinguishable from the black veins. The latter tends to be denser and less prone to splitting/tearing of grain when carving (neither really has this tendency, though). The other attached photo is of a drawing board I made a while back (fyi, use way more ventilation than you think you need when applying lacquer ;) )

In small doses, like when hand-sanding or rasping, Cocobolo does not bother me, and I actually find the "cinnamon" smell it has rather pleasing. I've always been surprised it isn't marketed as an aromatic wood or oil, since a ton of it could easily be harvested for ladies' candles and whatnot from a single plank :D

The few times I have used powertools on it, was using a router, and I found it machines almost like plastic; the grain so tight and swirly that there basically is no grain. The oily stuff also self lubricates cutters pretty well, unless you get them hot enough. However, I had the worst itching and flu symptoms for several days afterward --through skin/eye exposure, since I was wearing a mask!

A few fun facts about this wood to know(since I'm sure more than a few reading this will rush out and get some to play with before its gone):
-Cocobolo, and other dalbergia genus woods cannot be glued or finished easily. Their oils will keep polyurethane compounds from ever curing. To glue it, something like Gorilla glue (as in the joints of the drawing board) or Titebond III (as in the laminated gun stock) must be used. To finish, lacquer/shellac or other non-curing (evaporating solvent) coatings must be used, since the oils impede urethanes (big bummer for gunstocks that you want to keep totally protected)
-If left unfinished, cocobolo is plenty tough enough to take abuse, and will maintain a burnished shine. However, as it oxidizes, the red hues darken into browns, and the lustrous "tiger eye" effect seen in freshly cut wood hazes over. UV and oxygen are the causes of this; lacquer will stop the latter, but not much can be done to stop UV exposure if the item is to be used outdoors :(. The aged color isn't ugly or anything, it just isn't near as vibrant as what you start with (my gunstock fades to a very dark brown that looks totally different very quickly, so I have to decide to scrape/burnish the thing all at once for lacquer, or let it sit for a few months to get an even patina, or let it go dark by leaving it unfinished)
-Cocobolo is denser than water, so it's that much easier to lose your BBQ guns in a boating accident :D
-Cocobolo is an excellent tonewood; marimba keys are (were) made from it frequently --even more desirable than rosewood or mahogany. The 4ftx10"x.75" plank the stock was built up from resonated long at a loud 30Hz or so--it was like a dang subwoofer if you smacked it hard, and difficult to hang on to :D

"I like maple, cherry, myrtle, mahogany, holly, walnut, etc."
Though it's not really what these fancy stocks are meant for, cocobolo is probably better at a beat-down than maple and walnut put together :D. I finally got around to carving on walnut a while back, and I must say it is a dream to work with too, and far faster to shape. I wish Holly came from bigger trees, so I could make some "easy" winter camo for my rifles :cool:

Anyone in the DFW area been by Wood World or a Rockler to see if they still have any in stock (I'm sure it's already gone :()?
Great post, thanks for sharing.
 
Hogue has informed me that while they will attempt to fill my order these particular grips are on BACK ORDER and it might take 30-45 days. (fingers crossed)

BHP grips en route. "Fancy" BHP not yet ordered ;)
 
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Cocobolo is also used in longbows and recurves. It's a heavy dense wood used in the risers and veers are sometimes used under glass. Truely a beautiful wood and a favorite among bowyers and traditional archers.
 
Makes a boring pistol into a bbq gun ;)

(Well, almost.)

Hate to admit it.. after I mounted these... I am so used to my rubber Hogue monogrip that they feel strange. Still really happy with the color and grain and skinny profile and subtle thumbrests. Anyone ever razor cut the finger grooves off a monogrip ala Pachmeyer?
 

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Kind of wondering what the Browning Buckmark Hunter grips will be made of now, and also if the old grips will command a premium (over time; don't expect any overnight changes).
 
The Party's Over for Now...

Well, it looks like the rumors are true; the Cocobolo is gone :(

I swung by a local Rockler and a large supplier called Wood World today (DFW area) and it was slim pickings for Coco at both. There was one small turning blank, and a couple depressingly straight grained and pale orange (Guatamalan, probably) short cabinetry planks left at Rockler. Wood World was worse; last year they had a 4ft wide rack with hundreds of board feet planks as tall as 5ft and as thick as 2", and now, there were two (straight grained, pale orange) planks 3" wide, .5" thick, and 3ft long :(. What little remaining thick stock they had was apparently cut down to make turning blanks about a foot long or pen blanks. 8" Bowl blanks were about 90$ :eek:

I found one (1) 12" blank that had some figure and wasn't ridiculously priced, and picked it up even though it's orange and not red/brown. The store owners said that the Cocobolo shipments (to them at least) are gone for the foreseeable future. Seeing how this store has 12ft Purpleheart planks 3" thick at times, I image they are a fairly big player in the area.

I suppose the only thing left for us to do is make a list of decent alternatives for what Cocobolo offers; strength, beauty, density, finish, and durability

I nominate Bocote and Katalox, two super-dark faux-rosewoods that have similar tactile properties to Cocobolo, if not as contrasting a grain figure. Both are plenty durable, though I don't believe as oily (so not as rot/water resistant). I've worked with Katalox, and it hand carves as easily (i.e. as slowly) as Cocobolo and resists splitting just as well.

I feel worst for the high-end luthiers and instrument-makers; what are mere material properties to us grip-makers are the difference between an acceptable instrument and a masterpiece of resonance for them. Most of the other tonewoods have been removed from use, as well (ebony, mahogany, real rosewood) leaving them with ever fewer options for their work.

TCB
 
One of the custom grip manufacturers just sent out a note to retailers that he will no longer be offering Cocobolo grips. Cocobolo has been placed on the threatened/endangered species list. If you want them now is the time to get them. Once the supply dries up there will be no more for the foreseeable future - our lifetimes. You can expect that this will be the case for all grip manufacturers.

If you go to Kim Ahrends website you will see the notice.
Thank you for letting me know. I will make sure not to order anything made from this wood.
 
I had a custom grip for one of my Dan Wesson 15-2's made of Cocobolo, they were really different looking and I really liked them, but I had all kinds of skin issues from it. I didn't know what was happening, but I had a holster that had a little place I used to stick my thumb in, and the top of my thumb below my fingernail looked like it was rotting off from touching the grip. Someone finally told me that Cocobolo irritated a lot of people, and I switched to a walnut grip and my thumb healed up in a few days. I sold the grip for about twice what I paid for it, so it wasn't a disaster.
 
Cocobolo is definitely allergenic enough that I wouldn't want it in direct contact all day. Especially if sweat was involved, which would leach out even more oil from the wood. I think the problem arises from its closed grain and oily nature, which leads manufacturers to believe they don't need to finish it with anything. Yes, it will survive without a finish just fine, but its oils should really be sealed behind some lacquer or varnish if it's in human contact (it'll also stain the heck out of your clothes and holster if it gets very sweaty). I've been told that even if you aren't allergic to it (me; knock on wood), if you allow it to irritate you for prolonged periods, you will develop a severe reaction to it :eek:

I found a coat of cyanoacrylate (super glue) makes a nice finish, and if acetone is used to suck out the oils from the wood's surface right before application, it will soak in just enough to get a good grip and seal nicely (it won't stick as well to wood that is left oily). It's also waterproof and alcohol proof, unlike lacquer. Acetone and mineral spirits will still do it in, though (but makes removal and reapplication easy ;) )

"I will make sure not to order anything made from this wood."
For the record, the wood we get comes from managed farms (it's more profitable that way than "slash-and-burn*") so we're not the problem. It's China and the rest of the newly rich world that has no bones dealing with the lowest bidder for lumber, and doesn't abide by the import bans anyway. As with all bans, it doesn't really fix anything, and only harms those who comply and are trying to do the most good anyway. As with Siamese teak, cocobolo will probably become "imminently extinct" and the subject of Captain Planet circles, only to be widely available on the market a decade later for a little more money ;)

*slash and burn is done to open terrain for farmland and infrastructure. The land will be cleared regardless, and the sale of timber is done as a way to make cash from waste products generated--it would simply be burned otherwise.

TCB
 
Hogue has informed me that while they will attempt to fill my order these particular grips are on BACK ORDER and it might take 30-45 days. (fingers crossed)

YIKES! I ordered mine from Midway & were listed backordered till 8/19. On the phone the guy said they were actually overdue.

This AM I had an email that now they're backordered till November.:uhoh:
 
Barnbwt, you've obviously done a lot more work with such exotics than I have as a hobbyist.

It's sad really that the countries that house such wood are so challenged in so many ways that they've let things get to where they are now in terms of availability of such wood. Of course the world is far more populated than it was 100 years ago and many more are able to afford to buy items made from such wood. Perhaps it's simply our modern affluence that has made these varieties become endangered.

I've only worked with my cocobolo on infrequent situations so I've yet to develop a sensitivity to it. But I'll certainly be taking more precautions in the future.

Dr Rob, if the wood is not in direct skin contact then you may not be subject to any issues. The other possibility is that over time your skin oils have leached out all the native oils in the wood that are going to come out and it wasn't YET enough to cause a longer term issue. And I'm sure there's some interesting options from the hotter areas of southeast Asia as well.


While for those of us that enjoy wood working the issue with cocobolo is sad it's not like it's the end of the world for handgun grips. There's some very nice red and red-brown woods from Hawaii and Australia.
 
I got my first set of cocobolos for a Ruger Mk2 when I was a teenager. Those grips have a few nick and dings over the years, but I've worn the bluing off the grip and not done much damage to the wood.

You can see there are some good sized mishaps, but the surface itself is still reflective. Cocobolo is hard wearing stuff.

I have been wearing my cocobolo ring for 2+ years. More than enough time to wear off any laquer/sealant etc. It has darkened to almost black, but no rash or reaction on me.
 

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