No More Tolerance For Zero Tolerance

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The "leaders" seem to have lost all common sense in the name of "Zero Tolerance." They seem, to me, to be trying to make robotic, socialistic, serfs for the future generations of elite leaders. Do as we say, or it's off to the jail for you!
We need to get our country back.

No More Tolerance For Zero Tolerance

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Exclusive commentary by Cathryn Crawford


Oct 10, 2003


Once, long ago, there was legitimate reasoning behind the zero tolerance policy in our public schools that could be fathomed - but there’s also legitimate reasoning behind the saying that good intentions pave the way to hell. Originally, zero tolerance measures were aimed at dangerous kids who brought guns and drugs to school. However, the number of items and behaviors now considered suspension or expulsion-worthy has grown to an infinitely ridiculous amount.

The terms regarding these items and behaviors are conveniently vague, as well, and vary from place to place. There is zero tolerance for weapons - what is a weapon? Is it a butter knife, a laser pointer, a beeper? The same question applies to drugs. Is a children’s multi-vitamin a drug? What about an inhaler? Certs? Mouthwash?

What about zero tolerance for “disrespect†or “insubordination� Is that simply whatever the administrator of the school deems it to be? For example - in Mississippi, there is a law that allows students older than 13 to be expelled if they are “disruptive†in class three times over the course of the school year. What power that gives to administrators – how convenient for them! With the vague wording of these laws, they can remand any child that they see as a troublemaker to an alternative school so that they no longer have to “deal with†them. What qualifies as a disruption? Is that chewing gum in class or passing notes or using profanity - or pulling out a gun and threatening the teacher with it?

Futures – in the guise of college scholarships – are being put in jeopardy because of zero tolerance. Consider the case of the 17 year old honors student from Arkansas that was sentenced to 45 days in alternative school because his father accidentally left a scraper and pocketknife in the car the weekend before. Despite the pleas from the father, the school system refused to budge on the inviolate “weapons possession†punishment. Then there was the 18 year old girl who was arrested and charged with a felony for having a kitchen knife in her car that she had been using to open boxes. She was denied her right to graduate and she now has a criminal felony on her record. Is this the ultimate aim of zero tolerance?

Does constant fear of the tiniest infraction bringing severe punishment actually cause children to respect teachers and school administrators? Hardly. On the contrary, it fosters an attitude of resentment, disrespect, and deep anger towards authority. It also leaves no room for a positive relationship between children and teachers – there is, for the child, always a fear of punishment for the slightest unintended wrongdoing. It leads to a form of self-censorship that is representative of life under dictatorships.

Do we really want the cookie-cutter kids that zero tolerance strives to create, devoid of fire and passion and intelligence and creativity? Do we want kids that are always afraid to speak their own mind and stand up for themselves for fear of disrupting a classroom and being suspended or expelled for it?

Perhaps the only positive aspect of zero tolerance is the likelihood that the children who had to endure it will be the ones who are likely to change it.

http://www.washingtondispatch.com/article_6835.shtml
 
This is a piece that I wrote a few years ago which was published in the Attleboro, MA Sun-Chronicle.
The Death Of Goodness In America

I was exiting a local warehouse club recently and was greeted at the door by the obligatory person who checks your receipt against the goods in your cart. I thought “Treat everyone as though they are a thief and no one can complain.†I later heard the President say on television that we have reached a level of zero-tolerance in America. I thought “Treat everyone as though they are a criminal and no one can complain.†The two were inexorably linked in my mind.

Most Americans can tell you that the death of common sense occurred years ago. What most fail to realize is that the death of goodness accompanied it.

Mandatory sentencing, due to the unwillingness or inability of judges to act against criminals, is one aspect of the equality in justice that has removed all semblance of cognizant thought from the process. Judges have their hands tied when it comes to sentencing; unable to differentiate between persons who broke the law with malice or those who simply fell astray. Any consideration of the motive of the accused is removed and everyone is treated as though they had heinous intent. Everyone is lumped together as a single evil entity.

Not even the President of the United States is exempt from this madness. Under the laws, as written, he has no choice but to impose sanctions on any nation that errs on any side but our own. The result is that the United States now has sanctions on many countries including some of our closest allies. Regardless of their true intent, all who err are treated as though they have the basest of intentions.

In the drunken logic of the modern bureaucrat the equality of treatment for all far outweighs the quality or fairness of that treatment. All things must be treated on an equal basis regardless of right or wrong. The problem is that when you treat all things equally you must always err on the side of evil over goodness. All things are viewed in their worst light. Of course this allows the bureaucrat of the moment to shirk any duty to fairness and relieves them of any and all responsibility for any and all decisions at any and all levels; i.e. the law is the law and it is out of my hands. Neat, concise, to the point.

Zero-tolerance is the primary example of this wrongheaded thinking. Everything is treated as equally bad and everyone is treated as equally evil. Under the guiding principles of zero-tolerance everything is at its worst. Every knife is a weapon. Every drug is a restricted drug. Every action contrary to the wishes of the authorities is evil.

When a girl picked up her mother’s lunch in error one day in Longmont, Colorado she didn’t realize there was a paring knife in the bag. Upon discovery of same, she brought it to the attention of her teacher, and was immediately expelled from school under zero-tolerance.

When a Providence, Rhode Island teenager used the screwdriver on his Swiss Army knife to tighten the screw on a computer case at school he was immediately suspended under zero-tolerance.

When a Denver, CO student handed out lemon drop candies to a few of his fellow students he was met with a barrage of criticism after the school panicked and called out the police, fire department, and paramedics. He was suspended under zero-tolerance.

When a girl in another city gave a girl at school an aspirin for “ladies cramps†she was immediately suspended under zero-tolerance.

What all of these kids have in common is that they were deemed to be the worst of persons with the worst of intentions; even though they were good kids and their intentions were good. They also share the common thread that it will be long and hard to bring them back to whatever respect they previously had for the system that wronged them..

What is the underlying cause for this anomaly in our nation? What has caused us to become so suspicious, so paranoid, so distrusting? In a word; litigation. Our litigious society has driven us over the brink and into the abyss from which we may never return. We now are so paranoid that if we treat one person in one manner, and another in another, we will be sued for the inequality of our actions. One, or the other, will sue us because of their real or perceived injury at our hands and we will do anything to prevent it; even the destruction of an entire generation of our children and their respect for the laws of the nation.

When we treat everyone as a criminal, a ne’er-do-well, a druggie, a purveyor; we also create hostile, disrespectful, angry human beings that will at some point live up to those expectations. We instill in the young that there is no goodness.

The time has come for the people of this nation to realize that zero-tolerance, and like laws, are destructive to our nation and our system of laws and government. The people of this nation must realize that it is time to do away with these destructive laws and return to the common sense approach to the laws that built this nation. Only through the destruction of these laws can we as a nation return to a system that seeks out and reveres goodness.
 
I agree, Zero Tolerance for Zero Tolerance. It has gotten to the degree it's impotent because it is used blindly, with out any regard for the circumstances. Life, even life on a school campus, does not occur in a vacuum. Each case needs to be considered on its individual merits. If real life were handled with zero tolerance then anyone shooting an attacker could be charged with assault, "You used a weapon, this violates our zero tolerance policy".:banghead:
I read in another thread in THR about a student being suspended b/c he had an UNOPENED roadside emergency kit that contained a utility knife. Another case of zero tolerance stupidity.
That's what we should call our new grassroots movement, "Zero Tolerance for Zero Tolerance Stupidity":neener:
 
A guy is under the gun at this moment for loaning his asthma inhaler to his girlfriend when she had an attack. They both have the same prescription but the school preferred she die as he stood there rather than allow him to save her life.

This from KTRK-TV Houston October 10, 2003

http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/news/100803_local_inhaler.html

Here is the video report:

http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/news/100803_local_inhaler.html#

Teen faces expulsion and felony for loaning girlfriend medicine

Brandon Kizi faces serious charges for loaning his girlfriend Andra Ferguson his asthma inhaler.

By Chris Adams
ABC13 Eyewitness News

(10/08/03 - CONROE) — There's controversy over a school's zero tolerance drug policy. Some say it's gone too far. A 15-year-old faces expulsion after giving an inhaler to his girlfriend during an asthma attack that happened at school.

ktrk_100803_inhaler2.jpg
Brandon Kizi faces serious
charges for loaning his
girlfriend Andra Ferguson
his asthma inhaler.

Boyfriend and girlfriend, 15-year-olds Brandon Kizi and Andra Ferguson are
both asthma sufferers and both students at Caney Creek High School. At least, they were, until Andra began suffering an asthma attack at school.

"I couldn't breathe, and I was just very short of breath," recalled Andra. "My chest was tightened up and it was hurting."

Brandon described the incident. "Her face was turning a little reddish-pink and she looked pale, as far as I could see. I loaned her my inhaler. I walked her to the nurse's office and loaned her my inhaler."

That's when the trouble started. The school nurse called the school police, who arrested Brandon. They charged him with a felony, namely distributing a dangerous drug for loaning out his prescription inhaler. Andra's mother thinks that's wrong.

"His (inhaler) is the very same thing. And he has had my permission to give her that medication any time she forgets it," said Sandra Ferguson.

But school officials say that Brandon had been warned about loaning his inhaler, and that new state laws mean their hands are tied when it comes to zero tolerance and drugs.

Principal Greg Poole told Eyewitness News, "It's hard, it's difficult. We certainly don't look forward to expelling any kid. But then you have to consider a kid takes the medication and has an allergic reaction, and then we have to deal with that issue. So, yes, there is no discretion at this stage."

Brandon now faces mandatory expulsion from school and criminal charges in juvenile court. His mother is outraged.

Theresa Hock said, "It's so unfair. My son was helping her out. And now he's facing criminal charges. Would they rather have had her die than my son to help her?"

Brandon has a hearing on Friday to determine how long he'll be expelled for. In addition, he still has to go to juvenile court to deal with that felony charge.

(Copyright © 2003, KTRK-TV)
 
The kid has now made a deal with the sgchool.

http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/news/101003_local_inhaler.html

Student expelled for loaning inhaler reaches deal with school

Brandon Kivi was expelled from school for loaning his girlfriend Andra Ferguson his asthma inhaler.

By Chris Adams
ABC13 Eyewitness News

(10/10/03 - CONROE) — A Conroe teenager got the nation's attention when his girlfriend had an asthma attack and he let her borrow his inhaler.

But he got more than that. He got expelled from school and a felony charge. It's all about 'zero tolerance' and it was the focus of a hearing that was supposed to take place Friday. But instead of that hearing, a deal was worked out.

"What they did to my son is unfair," said Theresa Hock, whose son was expelled from school. "I'm still angry."

She's the mother of 15-year-old Brandon Kivi, speaking after the Caney Creek High School student was expelled.

"It's basically a probationary expulsion that fits the letter of the law, but the most important thing is that he can attend school at Caney Creek High School next week," said Caney Creek Principal Greg Poole.

"I was expelled, but I'm home schooled (now), so I won't be coming back to Caney Creek," said Kivi. "That's final. I hope the principal hears this, too."

Kivi suffers from asthma, as does his girlfriend 15-year-old Andra Ferguson. When she suffered an attack at school, Brandon loaned her his inhaler.

"I did need it and I still think he did the right thing," said Ferguson. "He was just doing good."

The school nurse reported him and he was arrested by police. He was accused of distributing a dangerous drug. Those charges have since been dropped.

Now the principal's announced a deal. "We contended all along that there were mitigating circumstances involved in this case. I believe that a fair resolution was reached," said Greg Poole.

Still, Brandon's mother isn't happy, and she hasn't ruled out a lawsuit against the district.

"I won, in a way," said Theresa Hock. "But what they done to my son was unfair. I'm still angry."

(Copyright © 2003, KTRK-TV)
 
Some reading material for those who are interested

This is a good read on the idiocy of zero tolerance laws and how they endanger children in the quest to protect them.

http://www.reason.com/0204/fe.cs.asthma.shtml

Lots of case histories here

http://www.pdkintl.org/kappan/kski9901.htm

Here's what happens when zero tolerance goes too far.

http://www.charityadvantage.com/afsz/blank2.asp

A less than stellar report on zero-tolerance in the state of Kentucky:

http://www.buildingblocksforyouth.org/kentucky/kentucky.html

PDF version:

http://www.buildingblocksforyouth.org/kentucky/kentucky.pdf
 
Kid , likely , saves girls life.
Kid gets stomped.

Principal and board need a clue bat application.
Kid a hero candidate.

If she had shut down.
Brain damage soon.
Death if not fast medical help.

Those little inhalers are a lot more important than they look to most.

School thinks better that she become vegatable or corpse than for a kid to administer first aid ?

Sam
 
"School thinks better that she become vegatable or corpse than for a kid to administer first aid ?"

Yes.
Their liability is less.
 
Do we really want the cookie-cutter kids that zero tolerance strives to create, devoid of fire and passion and intelligence and creativity? Do we want kids that are always afraid to speak their own mind and stand up for themselves for fear of disrupting a classroom and being suspended or expelled for it?
That is EXACTLY what some peope are trying to create.

Afraid to speak up in class, and afraid to speak up against the govt.
 
And some people wonder why I'm a recluse...

"Dangerous drug"? Asthma inhaler, aspirin? Swiss Army Knife--there's a real weapon for you. BAH! I read where an honor's student and cello prodigy who kept a SAK in her purse to remove excess wax from the strings was expelled from school under "zero tolerance". Zero telorance laws take the place of actually THINKING.

KR
 
Fire the guvmint skulls............

"I was expelled, but I'm home schooled (now), so I won't be coming back to Caney Creek," said Kivi. "That's final. I hope the principal hears this, too."


I hope everyone hears this............. screw guvmint skulls........... homeschooling is safer and smarter............
 
What matters:
"His (inhaler) is the very same thing. And he has had my permission to give her that medication any time she forgets it," said Sandra Ferguson.
The source of school authority is that they "stand in the place of parents" while children are at school. Here, the patient's mother had issued explicit instructions and permission because of a potentially life-threatening medical condition. Brandon Kivi and Andrea Ferguson even went to the nurse's office for supervision while they followed Mrs. Ferguson's orders. Can't charge the principal and nurse with attempted murder, since the drug was administered. How about "conspiracy to commit negligent homicide," based on the predictable chilling effect of his actions?
Principal Greg Poole told Eyewitness News, "It's hard, it's difficult. We certainly don't look forward to expelling any kid. But then you have to consider a kid takes the medication and has an allergic reaction, and then we have to deal with that issue. So, yes, there is no discretion at this stage."
Andrea Ferguson had the same prescription as Brandon Kivi. Allergic reaction? Not likely, but again, they went to the nurse's office. Hard road to a happy ending:
"I was expelled, but I'm home schooled (now), so I won't be coming back to Caney Creek," said Kivi. "
 
I know plenty of people (myself included) that have "weapons" at school. I have also given my inhaler to freind, I keep over the counter drugs in my locker, and such other things. I know pleny of other people who do that.

If I'm planning on going out after school, I even bring my knives. I wont trade my right to keep and bear arms for an education.

This "zero tolerance" thing is utter and complete bull????. I couldn't even bring in an airsoft gun to serve as a prop in a movie. (I'm in a film class).

Can someone cite me ONE case where it has worked out for the better?
 
winstonsmith, ask and ye shall receive:

I was in a school-run summer musical (Show Boat, by Jerome Kern and Oscar Hammerstein) between my junior and senior years in a suburb of Minneapolis. The choir director knew me and my family, and he asked and received permission to use my Dad's lever-action 1873 Winchester rifle as a prop. There were no awkward incidents, and my friends thought it was very cool.

Oh - now I'm inferring that you want something more recent than 1976. Hmmm... :(

{Edited to add: and now, reading KC's post below, I'm realizing that you asked for something ON topic: an instance where zero tolerance worked. I can't help with that, either.}
 
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...or how about an instance where a petty administrator was punished for their stupidity?
 
KC

No, but the punishment they do receive is merely spread out to the taxpayers.

http://www.charityadvantage.com/afsz/blank2.asp

Educating Schools About Life With Asthma

By LAURIE TARKAN
Several years ago, Phillip Hernandez had an asthma attack at school. He did his best to get to the office where his lifesaving medication was kept, but by the time he got there and the secretary located his nebulizer, which opens airways more effectively than an inhaler, it was too late. He collapsed. Efforts to treat him and revive him failed. Phillip, who was 11, would probably have lived if he had been carrying an inhaler, or bronchodilator, a court later said. But the school had a zero-tolerance drug policy forbidding children to carry drugs.

What the school did not write in its policy or tell Phillip's mother was that it made exceptions for inhalers and other medications that doctors deemed necessary. Last June, a jury found the school district negligent in Phillip's death and awarded his mother $9 million, an amount the judge reduced to $2.2 million.
 
We could fire the bastards. Oh wait, their union doesn't let it's members be held accountable. :banghead: Everytime I read anything about the public school system, it makes me happier that we're going to home-school our kids (when we have 'em, that is).
 
Last year my son was overheard by a teachers aide talking to his friend about going to the range with me. It was verified that he made no inapropriate comments pertaining to any violent act. Only that his dad had let him shoot his .22 rifle and his "big gun".

Couple days later he's in the office with the principle, teacher, teacher's aide, school board member and a rep from child services. Being interogated about his father training him with weapons. Which they informed him, in no uncertain terms, was reprehensible. This was done with no representation for me and no advocate for him. Just a child in front of a board setting that would intimidate many adults.

A month later I was notified that I was being investigated for child endangerment. Via a note pinned to my apt door. When the investigator (who looked like a 14 year old girl) came to my house to inspect my home I could not go near my guns. She had the run of my house to inspect for any neglgence. She found none. Her only issue was my black powder wallhangers. I told her if she could find any ammo or in any way make one fireable that she was welcome to shoot me with it.

I was helpless to do anything but subject myself to this or risk losing visitation with my son. All in the name of Zero Tolerance.
My son has not gone shooting with me since then
 
Yup, I agree. A friend of mine's son was recently suspended from school under similarly idiotic conditions... he worked on weekends at a local horse ranch and had a knife in his truck used to cut the string on hay bales. The principal's daughter was at the ranch with him that weekend and verified that this was the reason for the knife. The kid accidentally left the knife in his truck when he went to school on Monday, and when someone reported it, he got in trouble. This kid is a straight-A, good kid, who had never gotten in trouble before. He never removed the knife from the car while he was at school, and no one had any reason to believe he would use it for any violent reason. It's made me sooo mad, and his poor mom was totally helpless to do anything against it.
 
if you ask me zero tolerance is quite simply a mix of Paranoia, blind fear, Ignorance and Stupidity.
 
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