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Didn't see it posted yet:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081008/ap_on_re_us/katrina_confiscated_guns

NRA to settle suit over Katrina gun seizures By MICHAEL KUNZELMAN, Associated Press Writer
32 minutes ago



NEW ORLEANS - City officials have agreed to return hundreds of firearms that police officers confiscated in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, part of a deal to resolve a lawsuit filed by gun lobbying groups.

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The settlement agreement filed Tuesday in federal court calls for the National Rifle Association and Second Amendment Foundation to drop their case if the city follows a plan for returning guns to owners who had them seized by police after the Aug. 29, 2005, hurricane.

Both sides also are asking U.S. District Judge Carl Barbier to sign off on the pact and issue a permanent injunction barring the city from seizing lawfully possessed firearms. Barbier didn't immediately rule on the agreement, which doesn't involve a monetary award.

Police department spokesman Bob Young said it has stored 552 guns that were confiscated after Katrina, through Dec. 31, 2005. Police have said that most of the confiscated firearms had been stolen or found in abandoned homes, but the NRA claims police disarmed some people who were trying to flee the city.

City attorney Nolan Lambert denied that police unlawfully seized firearms.

"We were acting at all times in conformity with the law," he said.

riiiiiiiiight

The agreement calls for the city to post a notice on its Web site that explains how gun owners can claim their firearms.

Gun owners must sign an affidavit claiming ownership of a gun but don't need to present written proof, such as a sales receipt or serial number. A background check also is required to certify that someone claiming a gun can legally possess a firearm.

The city won't be liable if a dispute arises over the ownership of a returned gun. Authorities can dispose of any guns that go unclaimed after two years.

"This is all we've wanted all along: a practical return program," said NRA lawyer Stephen Halbrook, who estimated that the department should have 1,200 guns available for owners to claim.

"I think it satisfies all our concerns," said Dave Workman, a spokesman for the Bellevue, Wash.-based Second Amendment Foundation. "The city for way too long has been dragging its feet on this. We're glad it's over and we can move on to other issues."

Young said the department "will do everything possible to notify people that their guns are available for pickup."

In April 2006, police made about 700 firearms available for owners to claim if they could present a bill of sale or an affidavit with the weapon's serial number. Halbrook, however, said few people could present proof of ownership after Katrina, which flooded 80 percent of the city.

Mayor Ray Nagin and Police Superintendent Warren Riley were defendants in the case, which was scheduled to be tried next month.

In their lawsuit, the gun lobbying groups accused the city of violating gun owners' constitutional right to bear arms and leaving them "at the mercy of roving gangs, home invaders, and other criminals" after Katrina.

In response, the city argued that federal law doesn't apply to the plaintiffs' claims against city officials "because the right to keep and bear arms has never been recognized as a fundamental individual right."
 
So wait...

What if something isn't a "fundamental individual right"? If something isn't a "fundamental individual right" they can just do whatever they want?

So they can confiscate your television because they just feel like it, and keep it? What about your car?
 
I wonder what they will do about the guns they basically destroyed.
 
And I would wager that any rof the eally "good" or "nice" guns were kept by the LEOS.

I like how NOLOA denies then admits to confiscation all in one article. :fire:
 
I wonder what happens to people who claim guns were confiscated but the police don't have any record they ever had custody of them? Particularly if there were witnesses that the guns were confiscated? If there were any in that category anyway....

3 years....sitting unoiled somewhere in New Orleans in a police locker after being confiscated during a flood....wonder how many are even worth reclaiming?

Another reason to insure your guns. But does anyone know if the policy would pay up if it was claimed they were confiscated by authorities?
 
I dont like that for the sole reason someone, namely a 3rd party, has what amounts to a database on my firearms, moreso than just the ATFs info Longarm/Pistol etc;
 
Sue them for the actual replacement value or full restoration costs. Don't let them slide on a nickel's worth of anything then sue again to obtain search warrants for all police property. Make it plain ****ty to be them!

M14
 
From the article:
the right to keep and bear arms has never been recognized as a fundamental individual right

From DC v Heller:
The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm
The response was to deny Congress power to abridge the ancient right of individuals to keep and bear arms
the Second Amendment right is exercised individually and belongs to all Americans
Putting all of these textual elements together, we find that they guarantee the individual right to possess and carry weapons in case of confrontation. This meaning is strongly confirmed by the historical background of the Second Amendment. We look to this because it has always been widely understood that the Second Amendment, like the First and Fourth Amendments, codified a pre-existing right. The very text of the Second Amendment implicitly recognizes the pre-existence of the right and declares only that it “shall not be infringed.” As we said in United States v. Cruikshank, 92 U. S. 542, 553 (1876), “[t]his is not a right granted by the Constitution. Neither is it in any manner dependent upon that instrument for its existence.
There seems to us no doubt, on the basis of both text and history, that the Second Amendment conferred an individual right to keep and bear arms.
the inherent right of self-defense has been central to the Second Amendment right.

Well, I suppose if you're a busy lawyer, you might have missed it.

:)
 
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