"No weapons or firearms allowed" sign

[Oleg Volk]

Not sure what the logic is, but even with a 1911 and a Garand I had with me, I had no desire to loiter one moment more than necessary. I can only watch so many directions at once, and getting into firefights with trash is a lose-lose proposition. Can't imagine how my acquaintance could enjoy the venue after being previously threatned by the abovementioned skinheads for witnessing one of the beatings.

 

[Smokey Joe]

Hmmmm...

Never seen that "Safe Place" sticker before. On viewing it, my first reaction was, the adult silhouette is touching the child silhouette inappropriately. Wonder what sort of pervert thought up that sign?

 

[Kungfu/MUSE]

Response from The M.U.S.E./Kung Fu Coffee

This is the owner of The M.U.S.E./Kung Fu Coffee. I would like to start off my resonse by saying that we DO NOT have a history of violence at this venue. A lot of people are not aware of state/locals laws so we felt the need to post a sign on the door to let people know that firearms/weapons were not allowed. We do admit that the sign should have been more proper and we are in the process of securing such a sign. I also do not see how any of the music we (or private promoters) book have anything to do with such a sign. As I said, there is not a history of violence and we take every precaution possible to make sure that it stays this way. I do not understand what was meant by us having a "fish skeleton" safe place sign. We do have a Safe Place sign as this place has been designated as such. We help Nashville by providing a safe environment for kids and adults to listen to the music they like/request and socialize in a friendly environment. I would also like to note that we do not name the bands that play at this venue, we only book them. If you guys have nothing better to do than sit around complaining about a venue you have never been to (or given a chance) and bands that you have never heard, then we don't need you at our establishment. Please use some common sense/respect and try to see this from a our perspective.
-Logan
P.S. I do own a gun.

 

[Oleg Volk]

Welcome to THR.

 

[El Hombre]

P.S. I do own a gun.

That's nice.
Do you bring it in your nightclub?



I don't ask to be a smart aleck. I just find it interesting that people that try to disarm the general public usually are armed or have armed security themselves. I find this double standard mentality a little confusing. What gives you more of a right to safety than the rest of us?

Why would you not want to welcome a leaglly carring citizen (who has undergone and passed a criminal background check) into your establishment? If it were me, I'd rather have a whole room full of patrons who had passed such a check rather than several with"unknown" histories.
Anyhow, thanks for posting, I'm sure we would all be interested in yor viewpoint.

 

[The Rabbi]

I like DMK's response. The sign really didnt make much sense and in any case does not conform to TN standards (which is the gun in the red circle with slash). OTOH, as Oleg points out TN law forbids carry into any establishment that serves alcohol to be consumed on premises. (NOTE TO THR MEMBERS IN TN: there have been several attempts to change this to something more reasonable. Write your legislator!).
I have no idea where this place is. From the looks of it I wouldnt mind keeping things that way. I thought you had a better class of friends, Oleg.

 

[ExtremeDooty]

If you guys have nothing better to do than sit around complaining about a venue you have never been to (or given a chance) and bands that you have never heard, then we don't need you at our establishment. Please use some common sense/respect and try to see this from a our perspective

I respect your right to post this sign in your place of business, but this discussion isn't about your business per se. It's about the sign and the lack of common sense and logic required to post such a sign.

All of us with a concealed weapon permit have had to prove that we are honest people and have attended at least a minimum of training courses to acquire the permit. We are the "Good Guys."

When I see a "No Guns" sign, I am insulted because, even though I've had to prove I'm an honest person, you have decided that I can't be trusted in your business. When I see a sign like that I am not about to "give your venue a chance." You've already told me that I'm not welcome.

However, if I were an armed criminal, I am most certainly more likely to give your place "a chance" because I know that when I try to rob you, not only are you likely to be an easy target, no armed citizen will sneak up behind me and put a gun to my head.

You ask us to see this from your perspective and to use commom sense. Most us here have thought this through many times, and it's very likely that most of us would risk our lives to save yours if we were allowed in your place. It is very clear to us who is lacking in common sense as your argument clearly defies logic and shows a definite lack of clear thinking.

I apologize to all members of this board for the use of inclusive pronouns. I can only speak for myself and not for all other members.

Good guys is a generic term which includes women with permits.

 

[sully]

Oleg,

Is this sometype of music store, or concert venue? I wonder if I could play bagpipes there???

Stay Safe,
Greg Sullivan "Sully"
Chief Instructor
www.thedefensiveedge.com

 

[sensop]

Any place in Tennessee which sells alcohol is off-limits to carry:

quote:It is an offense for a person to possess a firearm within the confines of a building open to the public where liquor, wine or other alcoholic beverage, as defined in 57-3-101(a)(1)(A),. or beer as defined in 57-6-102(1) , are served for on premises consumption.

I skimmed through this thread kinda fast looking for a particular response and didn't see it. You will note that the quote inside the quote above specifies that firearms are not permitted in a building open to the public where liquor, etc., is sold for consumption on the premises. That does not mean that any place that sells alcohol is off-limits to carry. An example would be a liquor store or a convenience store that sells beer and wine, but where statute licensing actually prohibits consumption on the premises. Georgia is exactly the same.

You can carry into a liquor store but not a restaurant that sells alcohol for consumption on the premises. We in Georgia have been trying to get that changed for years so that the prohibition only applys to "bars", i.e., establishments that derive 50% or more from their sales volume from alcohol. If we succeed, legally licensed citizens could carry in a restaurant where you might be with your family and friends. It doesn't necessarily mean that if you are carrying you can or should drink.

The antis call this whole thing a slippery slope, but an after hours robbery/ multiple rape in a Macon Rio Bravo restaurant a few years back really added some fuel to this issue.

 

[The Rabbi]

I'm not an expert but this is my understanding

Originally the law read any place where alcohol was sold. That means Wal-Mart, 7-11 etc. Several eyars ago saner heads prevaled and it was changed to "consumed" so it applies only to clubs and restaurants etc. Now there has been a move to change it to where carry is allowed anyplace that derives less than 50% of its revenue from alcohol, i.e. bars. We have had the usual predictions of Dodge city, esp from one incredibly stupid legislator from, yup, Memphis.