SC Restaurant Carry. . .Restaurant Carry Nationwide

[Gary Slider]

South Carolina now has Restaurant Carry. You can go into a Restaurant/Bar and sit and eat without consuming and not be in violation of the law. Private Property owners in South Carolina can post their property and No Gun Sign have the force of law in South Carolina. You can read their sign requirements in Section 23-31-235 You can read their law on signs here: http://www.scstatehouse.gov/code/t23c031.php

Other sections of their law have changed. New/Renewal Permits will be valid for 5 years. South Carolina has Online Renewal and will add an online application for initial permit applications in the near future. Training Requirements have been tweaked. Plus other small changes. You can read the bill as passed here with the language struck and what has been added Underlined.
http://www.scstatehouse.gov/sess120_2013-2014/prever/308_20140117.htm The law took effect as soon as the Governor signed it.

Louisiana does not allow restaurant carry. Last state to completely ban it. They actually have two laws on it. They go by the newest one that states you can’t carry in a place that serves alcohol for consumption on the premises. Their older law states you can carry in a restaurant that has an “R” license. The Firearms Unit in LA has told me more than once they go by the newest law that states No Carry in Places That Serve Alcohol. Montana does not allow Concealed Carry in places that serve alcohol but does allow Open Carry. New Mexico only allows carry in places that serve wine and beer. Carry is not allowed in places that serve hard liquor. In Arizona those with any valid permit/license from any state can carry in places that serve alcohol but if carrying under Permitless Carry in Arizona places that serve alcohol are Off Limits. All other states allow carry in places that serve alcohol. Be aware that some states require it be concealed in a restaurant that serves alcohol while Montana is the only state that makes it mandatory for open carry.

Some are still stating that North Dakota Restaurant Carry is illegal. North Dakota passed Restaurant Carry in 2013. There new law states this:
62.1-02-04. Possession of Firearm or Dangerous Weapon in Liquor Establishment or Gaming Site Prohibited –
1. An individual who enters or remains in that part of the establishment that is set aside for the retail sale of alcoholic beverages or used as a gaming site at which bingo is the primary gaming activity while in the possession of a firearm or dangerous weapon is guilty of a class A misdemeanor.
2. This section does not apply to:
f. The restaurant part of an establishment if an individual under twenty - one years of age is
not prohibited in that part of the establishment.

 

[MedWheeler]

Florida is up on SC in one aspect of the law, and down on SC in another. In Florida, it is legal to enter, remain, and consume alcohol while within, a restaurant that serves alcohol. There is no limit on consumption, but there is a statute that prohibits the "use" of a firearm while inebriated (there is also an exception to that statute that applies in cases of lawful self-defense.)

But, one cannot legally enter or remain in a bar, or in any portion of a restaurant that operates as a bar while in possession of a firearm. So, places like Applebee's or Chili's are okay, as long as one remains in the dining area or other portion not operating as a bar.

So, while SC "beats" Florida in allowing licensed carry in a bar if the carrier does not consume, I imagine there would be limited demand for that, other than in places in which concerts or other shows are going on, or in dance clubs.

 

[HexHead]

At least SC has a specific sign that must be used for posting. In TN, just a little gun busters decal carries the force of law. It's stupid.

In TN, we have no "bars". They are all considered "restaurants", so you can carry into any establishment that serves alcohol as long as it's not posted, and you don't drink.

 

[Midwest]

Kentucky could be changing these laws. Here is a video of the story from Channel 12 out of Cincinnati.

http://www.local12.com/news/features/top-stories/stories/kentucky-bill-allows-guns-bars-8251.shtml


"A state Senate committee passed a bill Tuesday that would allow gun owners with concealed carry permits to bring their loaded weapons into bars as long as they're not drinking."


Here is another story on it from Channel 27 in Lexington and here it says that the current law allows people to open carry into bars if the owner allows it.

http://www.wkyt.com/home/headlines/Committee-OKs-bill-to-allow-concealed-guns-in-bars-245093801.html



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[Red Wind]

Thank you for the updates,Gary. The mind whirls, reading your posts and what you have to keep up with in 50 separate domains.

Your site is appreciated by thousands. Don't think for a moment that your hard work is not worth it!

 

[El Tejon]

Good to see.

Still cannot drink. This Carrie Nation nonsense needs to go.

Best wishes to South Carolina is getting rid of the rest of these moronic restrictions.

 

[SMMAssociates]

Midwest:

OH's restaurant carry went into effect in October 2011. NO consumption, otherwise, no restrictions unless the place is posted anyway. (Misdemeanor Criminal Trespass.)

Tell your friends to look at what OH did....

Could be better, but it did help a lot.

(Gary: Good Job!)

Regards,

 

[Plan2Live]

El Tejon said:

Still cannot drink. This Carrie Nation nonsense needs to go

I don't understand what you are saying, can you explain?

 

[El Tejon]

I don't understand what you are saying, can you explain?

In South Carolina I cannot drink a beer with my dinner while carrying a pistol. This nonsense is a vestigal remainder of the Anti-Saloon League and the Uplifters.

South Carolina needs to tell the uplifters to take a long walk off a short pier.

 

[Sam1911]

Still cannot drink. This Carrie Nation nonsense needs to go

I don't understand what you are saying, can you explain?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrie_Nation

Most of our views on alcohol, and the various "blue laws" and no-carry in bars laws, etc., etc. come out of the Victorians' neo-puritanism and the pseudo religious uprising that became Prohibition.

While we've shrugged off most of the trappings of that at this point, that "uprighteousness" is still a major undercurrent in American society that forms the foundation of what most people semi-instinctively grow up believing about booze and other "illicit" activities.

If you look around even these enlightened halls, you'll see vestiges of the same sort of "ooooh noes! Booooze!" hand-wringing that we decry in others when they turn that sort of hoplophobic view on our guns. Hence support for laws that make illegal the non-violent act of consumption of alcohol while armed ... or even of BEING in a place where alcohol COULD be consumed, while armed. Punishing the transgressor with great force for what MIGHT happen, maybe, even though it generally doesn't.

The real truth is that there are whole states where guns and alcohol does not instantly make you a criminal (like here) and those places experience not one itoa of increased violence, death, accident, or other harm than even the strictest prohibitionist state.

But hey, it's a good idea because we truly believe in our hearts that we should punish people for what they (or, heck, someone else) MIGHT do.

 

[Arizona_Mike]

Sam, I'm pretty sure that second photo is a modern spoof (but a good one).

Mike

 

[El Tejon]

Sam, I'm pretty sure that second photo is a modern spoof (but a good one).

That's from a spoof movie, but it was a real slogan from The Drys. The uplifters were dead serious.

Why do you think the U.S. is riddled with these moronic laws? Because of men and women such as those.

Hatred of The Other (specifically Catholics). Projection of their inner self-hatred--I hate myself because I am a monster thus others are monsters when they drink too.

 

[Midwest]

On the same topic of alcohol and strange laws. In Kentucky no alcohol could be sold during an election. http://kykernel.com/2012/11/06/reminder-liquor-cant-be-sold-until-polls-close/

"According to Kentucky State Law, “a premises that is licensed to sell distilled spirits or wine at retail shall not be permitted to remain open during the hours the polls are open on any regular or primary election day; unless the licensee provides a separate locked department in which all stock of distilled spirits and wine are kept during the hours the polls are open.”

I believe they were talking about repealing this law. In addition, South Carolina is the only other state that does this.

 

[Sam1911]

Sam, I'm pretty sure that second photo is a modern spoof (but a good one).

Yup, I've read that before.