Non-Resident CCW Permit ???

[David]

I know a lot of people get non-resident CCW permits so that they can carry in other states -- for instance, another post said that the Florida non-resident permit allows carry in about 20 states!

My question:

Has anyone ever had to show their non-resident CCW carry permit to an out-of-state LEO?

For example, say you are a resident of California, and you are in Arizona carrying with a non-resident Florida CCW permit.

Would the average Arizona LEO be aware that a non-resident Florida CCW used by a Californian is valid in Arizona?



Has anyone ever had some "real-life" experience with something like this.

 

[tommytrauma]

If I were a California resident and planning on carrying in AZ, I'd write the AZ Attorney General prior to my trip asking about reciprocity and non resident permits, and carry his reply with my permit. That should go a long way in clearing up any misunderstanding an officer might have.

ARIZONA STATE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE
1275 W. Washington Street
Phoenix, Arizona 85007
Phone: (602) 542-4266 and (888) 377-6108

 

[pax]

I was in a vehicle once when an Oregon resident with a Washington permit showed his Washington permit to a LEO who had pulled him over (edited to add) in Washington (end edit). The LEO was visibly confused and needed a little explanation. Pretty sure the process would have been easier if my friend had had a copy of the relevant laws to point at. It wasn't really a problem, but it could have been.

pax

 

[P95Carry]

Just imagine .... if we had (what we should have) full reciprocity .... there would be none of this shenanigans, worrying over where one can and can't carry. It's so absurd.

 

[Doc]

David, your question was:

question:

Has anyone ever had to show their non-resident CCW carry permit to an out-of-state LEO?

Yes. On our recent trip to visit the mouse, we had exited the property and were on something that LOOKED like a freeway, but was not; it had a posted 35 MPH limit and
I was lost and going nigh onto 65 MPH, in an effort to get turned around.

The very pleasant, very friendly county sheriff radared me and stopped me.
Upon his approach I gave him my license, FL CCW and the rental contract.
He asked, "Do you have your weapon on you now, sir?"
I replied in the negative and he returned my CCW to me and returned to his cruiser.
He let me off with a warning (he really was very pleasant and very friendly).
Never so much as mentioned the CCW.

doc

 

[Kooter]

The very pleasant, very friendly county sheriff radared me and stopped me.
Upon his approach I gave him my license, FL CCW and the rental contract.
He asked, "Do you have your weapon on you now, sir?"
I replied in the negative and he returned my CCW to me and returned to his cruiser.
He let me off with a warning (he really was very pleasant and very friendly).
Never so much as mentioned the CCW.

why would he mention anything about the CCW? you weren't carrying, so what was the point of showing the cop your permit?

 

[cratz2]

Yeah... if you don't even have a gun on your person, I can't see any reason to possibly raise tension by flashing a CCW permit.

Only time I've had any sort of runin was in Tennessee when the nicest Sheriff I've ever met pulled over for having too dark of tint on my front two windows. He noted my Indiana plate of course and asked me a few basic questions. Standing to the right of the car and after asking a few questions, he asked 'is that a pager on your hip?' I said 'excuse me?' and he re-asked 'is that a pager on your hip or something else?' I told him it was a legally carried pistol and that I had a permit for it. He asked to see the permit which I provided. Then we had the most surreal conversation I've ever had with an LEO. He asked what it was... 'Kahr P9 Covert' Asked if it was loaded then kind of laughed at himself for such a silly question. He asked what I loaded it with. '124 Gr +P Speer Gold Dots.' He said those were some nasty little bullets. I agreed. Asked if I had any drugs or alcohol in the car. 'Of course not.' Then he asked about the Clif power bars I had on my passenger seat. Asked if I liked the flavor and asked if they were any less dry than some of the others on the market...

Strange interaction but he was very pleasant... Almost overly pleasant. Never questioned the Indiana CCW in Tenn though I suspect there is so much gun-toting travel between Indiana, Kentucky and Tenn that most of them know the rules... And the primary rule being 'stay the hell out of Illinois with your boomstick!

 

[Doc]

First, I didn't FLASH; i gave it to the sherrif with my license and paperwork, on top.
Second MANY DMV databases list that you are a CCW, if you don't tell what else
might you be hiding?
Third many venues REQUIRE you to tell you are a CCW if stopped.
We MUST show in Michigan now, so it's habit. By making it my habit,
I have no anxiety about it and In addition,
it eliminates the need to remember which states require you to show&tell.

Massad says don't show unless asked. I defer to his expertise & opinion.
(I have nothing to fear from telling, don't drink, don't speed-much- and
dont fear law enforcement. I PERSONALLY feel more comfortable telling
right up front, rather than sitting armed without the LEO knowing.)

After having done all that cop training, I think
showing the CCW is the LEAST offensive way to notify LEO of your status.
Most recently when stopped I DID NOT have my weapon, but that is
very unusual for me. I actually had to check when he asked.

BTW, if you are stopped, ever, TELL THE TRUTH!!! being creative (READ: LYING)
doesn't get you anywhere. And besides, you KNOW you were speeding, he knows
you were speeding AND HE KNOWS YOU KNOW you were speeding.

As for the "strange" interaction cratz mentions, it doesn't seem to me at all:
engage the person in conversation and LOOK for lies, inconsistances and anxiety
regarding other undeclared contraband in the car.

 

[Amish_Bill]

I know of at least one LEO who would give CCW holders an easier time on basic traffic stops. You were not above the law, but he would cut you a friendly break on non-serious things.

Of course, YMMV

 

[Maddock]

Amish Bill: I know of at least one LEO who would give CCW holders an easier time on basic traffic stops. You were not above the law, but he would cut you a friendly break on non-serious things.

I’ve had one LEO tell me that the CCW is sort of a certificate of non-criminal status. With the background and fingerprint checks, the holder is less likely to be a threat.