Non Weapons Question

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Lange666

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Hey,

So, I think this is the right section for this:

I have a friend that lives on a less-than-good side of town. His house has been broken into three times in the past six months. The break-in always occures in the same place as well (back windows which are very large). He wants a weapon, but I wouldn't trust him with a weapon and I don't think it helps if he's not there.

So, I've thought that maybe he should take some nails and pound them through a board. We'll sharpen the nails to be like knife points. When the thieves jump through the window, they land on the boards and destroy their feet.

Is this legal?
 
I don't think that's legal. How about thorny bushes under the window, better lighting, a camera set up, fenced yard with a dog or changing out the window to something more secure?
 
Laws vary by state but most have laws against any form of un-attended bobby trap device.

I have seen pepper spray cans that can be activated by a trip type wire. If legal it might be an option.
 
Dunno about the legality of it but it sure seems like a great idea. I wouldn't sharpen the nails though i consider em' pointy enough to begin with. That and it would look bad if the scumbag tried to sue later you couldn't claim it was there by coincidence. I have a friend who keeps a screwdriver covered in battery acid in his car in case of a carjacking situation where hes blocked in by traffic and can't simply step on the gas. I must say the battery acid is a bad idea, won't offer any extra stopping power and would simply do him harm legally if he ever had to use it in defense.
 
3 times in the last 6 months?

And not good enough to be trusted with a weapon?

Anything else creates expensive lawsuit?


My idea.

Tell him or her to move the hell away from that town into one smaller and further OUT away from the good and bad parts.

Or get protection via firearm, dogs or alarms and get to it.

God help me if I had that many in 6 months, I would be fighting three seperate Home Defense Court cases at once.
 
Why doesn't he just do what most people in cities do when they live in a not so good part of town; put iron lockable grills over the ground floor windows, and a good alarm system?

It's easy to harden your house to prevent being burgled. And as most burgleries are commited when you are not home, guns are of no help there, in spite of what kind of fantacies you have.

After the second break-in, I'd thought he would have investigated that route.
 
Get a big dog or bars on the windows. Booby traps arent legal in most places and you can set yourself up for a lawsuit. Think Prevention and deterrants like bright lights and thorny hedges. I know sometimes it is not fesable to move places.
 
Alright, I'll tell him to look into bars on the windows and briers.

I was kind of hoping that the boards would be legal.
 
Software, not Hardware.

So, I've thought that maybe he should take some nails and pound them through a board. We'll sharpen the nails to be like knife points. When the thieves jump through the window, they land on the boards and destroy their feet.

Is this legal?

A courtroom will eat someone alive if they do this.
One will hear over and over and over again:

-What a prudent person would do in this situation.

-Beyond a reasonable doubt.
Amongst other important sentences.


If you want to know what crimes are happening where you live- Go sit in a courtroom.
If you want to know what the law defines and interprets -Go sit in a courtroom.
If you want to know what one can and cannot do - Go sit in a courtroom.

It does not make a tinker's damn what goes on in Texas, or Valley of the Zombies, what matters is, what is the law where you are when serious situations occur.
What matters is the law where you are, and how it is defined , interpreted, and sentencing.

Boards on a window are fine, these are what a prudent person would do in this situation , while they wait on iron bars to be installed.

Preventive steps, layered defense with lighting, dawg, alarms, boarded window, iron bars are fine, and if someone where to breech these , then the person caught, would have to have his attorney prove beyond a reasonable doubt as to how they got in, and the circumstances of when caught.

You go past legal, and you will then be the criminal.

This is Strategy & Tactics.
We use Software first, and always, even with Hardware.

Carl's post above is a good one.
One thing to mention, since he mentioned iron bars is while these are designed to keep someone out, one needs to consider someone needing out.

i.e. Fire.
Persons have to be able to exit, whatever they install to discourage, or slow down bad guys getting in.


One more time-
If one is busted into, they will be busted into again.
Your stuff is sold before stole.

Bad guys not only wait for insurance replacement, to hit again, they also take inventory of what else they can "sell before stealing" when they are inside.
They also take pictures now, where they used to just take, calendars , day planners, address books and other items with personal information. With cell phones, just take a picture of the information they run across.

i.e.
-Calendar says Dental appointment at such-n-such time.
-Sister is going on vacation, and with address book, they have another easy mark.
-Work schedules with pay periods marked on a calendar.


Don't look like prey, think like a criminal.

Just don't become a criminal by being cute with measures installed and taken .

A jury of your peers, does not mean 12 persons exactly like yourself.
 
"It's easy to harden your house to prevent being burgled."

Well, not that easy if someone really want to get in. I have heard of BGs using a pickup truck and chain to tear bars right off a window, using a re-inforced truck to drive right through frame walls, and employing sledge hammers to break through steel doors and concrete block walls.

It all depends on what is inside and how much someone wants it.

Jim
 
There are several things to consider here. Let's see...

Number One, the 'punji pit on the floor' idea is a really bad one. First thing is, it's more likely to puncture your friend when he comes home in a hurry and forgets it's there, or some hapless visitor (like you, maybe) stumbling around in the dark. Not to mention the legal aspects, and the liability aspects. In short- don't do it.

Number Two, does your friend like to show off his stuff? Brag about new toys? All that is, is advertising. Modesty helps, the old "this home protected by abject poverty" approach might help out here. It's likely the same person or people doing the break-ins- might even be casual acquaintances. It might be worth thinking about that possibility.

Number Three, think prevention, not retaliation. Burglar bars have been mentioned- look into it. Keep in mind that hardening one place might just shift the attention elsewhere- think about other areas of access also, and harden those too.

There are lots of inexpensive but very functional DIY burglar alarm systems available these days, some of which can even be programmed to call you if there's a break-in. If the break-ins are happening in the daytime while he's at work, then motion sensor lighting won't help a lot, but if the problems extend past dark, that might help too. Clearing out low-hanging tree limbs, shrubbery etc around the house that offer hiding places to crooks is usually a good idea.

hth,

lpl
 
Move. Let the new people worry about it. Sounds like he lives in the ghetto or something!
 
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