Norinco M37 Tactical Shotgun
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Badger Arms
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Solidly built. Two action bars vs. the one on an Ithaca 37. The design is 90 years old so it's a tried and true one. Norinco has a very poor fitting stock designed for people who don't shoot the guns with more drop and a sloped comb that makes it more painful to shoot than a standard shotgun. Sights are an interesting gimic that helps you shoot slugs but makes point or wingshooting more difficult. You're supposed to point a shotgun and that's an advantage on speed.
Finish sucks and the preservative they come with sucks. Soak it in simple green, scrub it off, rinse it with hot water, and put a good coating of rem oil or Break Free. That's about it.
Finish sucks and the preservative they come with sucks. Soak it in simple green, scrub it off, rinse it with hot water, and put a good coating of rem oil or Break Free. That's about it.
MAX100
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Here is my take on the Hawk M37 and what I know. They are very well made utility tactical shotgun just like the other shotguns Hawk Ind. makes: H&R Pardner Pump & 981 & 982.
I owned one and use to sale them when they were available. I would like to own one again.
Model 37, The first imported - GRS Then they added a bead sight model and model #s went like this.
Model 371 - Bead Sight
Model 372 - GRS
*Made of all harden steel with a thick heavy receiver.
*All machined steel parts NO MIM parts
*Nice simple steel Ghost Ring Sights same as the ones on the Hawk 982 which most like, very durable.
*Parkerized Finish
*Fit & finish "very" good - It's a Utility Tactical not a pretty Wing shooter. It's made to take a beating.
*Stock is very nice as you see by the picture below very thick & durable. Not thin and hollow sounding like the plastic stocks that come on the more expensive & cheap shotguns today. Built for durability. As you can see nothing poor fitting about the stock design.
*Steel heat shield
*Duel charging bars.
*Nice durable machined aluminum trigger guard
*Bottom eject
* Very close copy of the Ithaca 37, stocks and such will fit, some might need a little fitting.
*Reliability is excellent on most guns. The Model 37 design can have feed problems. Mine was very reliable and never had a single feed issue.
The Hawk Model 37 or 372. Nice looking & well made and a heck of deal. Ithaca M37 shotguns cost a lot and you won't find one with a nice set of GRS.
As you can see the Fit & finish is very good and the stock is nice & well made. The stock comfortable and the drop is right on for a bead sight or GRS.
A look at the the GRS on the Hawk Model 37 & Hawk 982 shotguns. Simple well made and those that train with GRS and no how to use them don't find them to be a gimmick.
I wish I had never sold mine.
GC
I owned one and use to sale them when they were available. I would like to own one again.
Model 37, The first imported - GRS Then they added a bead sight model and model #s went like this.
Model 371 - Bead Sight
Model 372 - GRS
*Made of all harden steel with a thick heavy receiver.
*All machined steel parts NO MIM parts
*Nice simple steel Ghost Ring Sights same as the ones on the Hawk 982 which most like, very durable.
*Parkerized Finish
*Fit & finish "very" good - It's a Utility Tactical not a pretty Wing shooter. It's made to take a beating.
*Stock is very nice as you see by the picture below very thick & durable. Not thin and hollow sounding like the plastic stocks that come on the more expensive & cheap shotguns today. Built for durability. As you can see nothing poor fitting about the stock design.
*Steel heat shield
*Duel charging bars.
*Nice durable machined aluminum trigger guard
*Bottom eject
* Very close copy of the Ithaca 37, stocks and such will fit, some might need a little fitting.
*Reliability is excellent on most guns. The Model 37 design can have feed problems. Mine was very reliable and never had a single feed issue.
The Hawk Model 37 or 372. Nice looking & well made and a heck of deal. Ithaca M37 shotguns cost a lot and you won't find one with a nice set of GRS.
As you can see the Fit & finish is very good and the stock is nice & well made. The stock comfortable and the drop is right on for a bead sight or GRS.
A look at the the GRS on the Hawk Model 37 & Hawk 982 shotguns. Simple well made and those that train with GRS and no how to use them don't find them to be a gimmick.
I wish I had never sold mine.
GC
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Badger Arms
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...yeah... the implication being that I don't? Way to take the high road on this one, buddy. Ghost ring sights reduce point or wing shooting effectiveness and increase accuracy with slugs. FACT. Don't call me out because you've watched a Gunsite advertisement.
MAX100
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I don't follow Gunsite or any other. So I have no idea what you are talking about.
You either like GRS or you don't. They aren't a Gimmick.
I posted my assessment of the Hawk 37 with plenty of info pictures to backup it up.
GC
Badger Arms
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GRS are a sales gimic for selling a "tactical" shotgun. A Serious defense shotgun does not need to have GRS on it, it's just a tacticool thing. GRS reduce the effectiveness of point and wing shooting and increase the accuracy of slugs. (Heard that before?) Most people ignore this fact and assume that GRS=Tactical and Tactical=Good regardless of the FACT that GRS guns are slower on target in the majority of home defense situations. Invest in a good weapon-mounted light and some ammo.
MAX100
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That's your opinion not shared by many professionals or me.
The finish and stock are well made as shown in my post above. There is a lot of misinformation about the Hawk Ind made shotguns on the net. Hawk Ind in China has been in business for around 55 years and they know how to manufacture Military Arms and do it well.
Guns that are shipped across saltwater need to be packed in cosmoline or heavy oil.
GC
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Badger Arms
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Not my opinion, FACT. Meet me at the border (Pedros?) and we'll shoot a few rounds of skeet. Let's see who breaks more birds. Then we'll shoot some moving silhouettes from the hip-ready position, shoulder, and fire. See who's faster? You can shoot slugs all day with yours and do better than my bead-sighted gun, but then I didn't claim my gun was better with slugs.
I didn't say the finish on the stock sucked (but now that you mention it... it does). I was speaking about the metal finish.
You seem to be DEFENDING when I was not OFFENDING your opinion, just stating the facts. Your choice if you want to ignore the facts.
MAX100
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We are clearly not on the same page. I am talking about defense with a shotgun made for defense. I don't hunt but if I did bird hunt or shoot clays it wouldn't be with a special purpose shotgun made for defense. This thread is about a shotgun that is designed for defense.
I was talking about the metal finish as well. It's very well done as seen in the pictures. It's a tough as nails tactical utility shotgun that's made to take a beating. It's going get scuffed up anyway.
GC
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JWF III
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Not to hijack the thread...
Does the Norinco (or any other M37 clone) "slam-fire" like a true Ithaca? Or do they leave the factory with the disconnector?
Wyman
Does the Norinco (or any other M37 clone) "slam-fire" like a true Ithaca? Or do they leave the factory with the disconnector?
Wyman
MAX100
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No slam fire. It's was imported under sporting shotguns so you can see why.
GC
DAVIDSDIVAD
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I wonder when Badger is going to realize that, basically, Ghost ring = improved bead.
You're not supposed to see the rings, man.
You're supposed to see the front post, and the blurry ring (ghost ring, get it?) is there for reference.
If you're holding the shotgun right, it's all secondary.
You're not supposed to see the rings, man.
You're supposed to see the front post, and the blurry ring (ghost ring, get it?) is there for reference.
If you're holding the shotgun right, it's all secondary.
MAX100
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I answered that above. Most are very reliable but with the model 37 design there are few that could need some tweaking to be reliable.
The Hawk 982 is very good low cost choice also and very reliable.
GC
MAX100
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Don't know maybe a Ithaca 37 owner can tell you. Do a Google search on the model 37 reliability or feed problems and see what you come up with.
Where did you find a Hawk 37 for sale and how much do they want for it? I would like to have one.
GC
You might want to read about some of the weapons this Co. makes and who they do business with.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norinco
Norinco owns Hawk.
http://www.guncity.co.nz/12ga-norinco-98-with-p-grip-sliding-stock-xidp165671.html
You'll have to scroll about 2/3 of the way down to see it's listing.
http://worldinventory.googlepages.com/wiw_as_bangladesh
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norinco
Norinco owns Hawk.
http://www.guncity.co.nz/12ga-norinco-98-with-p-grip-sliding-stock-xidp165671.html
You'll have to scroll about 2/3 of the way down to see it's listing.
http://worldinventory.googlepages.com/wiw_as_bangladesh
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MAX100
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It's made by Hawk Ind not Norinco. Remington H&R has a Hawk Ind shotgun in their lineup.
Hawks Ind Website showing the shotguns they make.
http://www.hawkindustries.com.cn/english/cpmore.asp?cpclasstype=Hunting
GC
Hawks Ind Website showing the shotguns they make.
http://www.hawkindustries.com.cn/english/cpmore.asp?cpclasstype=Hunting
GC
You might want to read this thread also.
http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1935748
http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1935748
MAX100
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Like I said there is a lot of bad information about the Hawk shotguns posted on forums from ones who have never owned one and don't know anything about them. The thread you posted is from over three years ago. The pictures I posted above disputes everything that's being said in the thread link you provided.
The same things were being said about the Pardner Pump & Hawk 982 shotguns until I started challenging the ones saying them to provide any info from personal experience to back up their claims. They never could because it always turn out they had never owned one and didn't know anything about them. Today the Hawk Ind made shotguns are very popular and the owners like them because they are very well made.
You have read what I posted above, if you have any pictures or personal experience with the Hawk Ind Model 37 to dispute what I posted, Let's hear it.
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Max, you said this gun is made by Hawk, I've provided you with links showing that Hawk and Norinco are one in the same.
In case you didn't want to read the listing I posted, here's the part that pertains to the shotgun you are talking about.
Common Name: Model 37 M&P (YL12-1JZ)
Calibre: 18.5×76mmR (12-gauge)
Origin: North China Industries Corp (NORINCO), Beijing, China (copied from Ithaca, King Ferry, USA).
Use: Police forces: general service (200?-).
Details: Folding stock.
Sources: Press photos (200?).
Now if you'll read the other link, it'll explain that Norinco sells their products under a variety of names. Hawk being one of these names. I would imagine to americanize it, so to speak.
The reason I am so pro American, when it comes to this is because Norinco uses it's profits to expand and build and sell AK-47's, RPG's, missiles systems and way to many other weapons to fit onto this page, (read the first LINK). And they sell them to the terrorists sponsoring countries/groups, (mostly Iran) that are currently using them to send our troops home in body bags.
Why can't you just save a little more and buy an American shotgun, you can get a used 870 pretty cheap. Then the money stays here in the US.
And you won't be aiding the enemy, by enabling the Chinese to send more AK's and RPG's to the Mideast.
In case you didn't want to read the listing I posted, here's the part that pertains to the shotgun you are talking about.
Common Name: Model 37 M&P (YL12-1JZ)
Calibre: 18.5×76mmR (12-gauge)
Origin: North China Industries Corp (NORINCO), Beijing, China (copied from Ithaca, King Ferry, USA).
Use: Police forces: general service (200?-).
Details: Folding stock.
Sources: Press photos (200?).
Now if you'll read the other link, it'll explain that Norinco sells their products under a variety of names. Hawk being one of these names. I would imagine to americanize it, so to speak.
The reason I am so pro American, when it comes to this is because Norinco uses it's profits to expand and build and sell AK-47's, RPG's, missiles systems and way to many other weapons to fit onto this page, (read the first LINK). And they sell them to the terrorists sponsoring countries/groups, (mostly Iran) that are currently using them to send our troops home in body bags.
Why can't you just save a little more and buy an American shotgun, you can get a used 870 pretty cheap. Then the money stays here in the US.
And you won't be aiding the enemy, by enabling the Chinese to send more AK's and RPG's to the Mideast.
MAX100
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These shotguns are made by Hawk Ind. Norinco may or may not have their hands in the pot, who cares. I like Norinco made firearms and many Pro American gun owners just like me do also. They make a very nice well made 1911, AK and many other Arms.
If you have a strong dislike for Norinco stop buying Cerberus Remington Group firearms. They pay Hawk Ind to manufacture H&R Pardner Pump shotguns.
Stick to the subject the thread is about.
GC
If you have a strong dislike for Norinco stop buying Cerberus Remington Group firearms. They pay Hawk Ind to manufacture H&R Pardner Pump shotguns.
Stick to the subject the thread is about.
GC
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Badger Arms
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Ahhh, okay. I guess that explains all the Olympic shooters using ghost-ring sights. You got me. Nice one. I admit defeat.
And I'm not even going to get into a buckshot vs. slug debate on this thread.
oletymer
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Oh my! An other post dominated by Max the lover of cheap chinese guns. Oh well it makes for interesting reading.
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