Norinco M37 Tactical Shotgun

[753X0]

Here's a list of a few things you fund when you buy one these Chinese copies


# 23-2K, a version of the Nudelman-Rikhter NR-23
# Type 56, a clone of the Russian AK47
# QBZ-95, an assault rifle
# QBB 95, a squad automatic weapon version of the QBZ-95
# Norinco Type 63 Light Amphibious Tank
# Type 99 MBT
# Type 86S bullpup assault rifle
# Type 88 sniper rifle
# Type 69 RPG anti-armor rocket launcher, a clone of the RPG-7
# WZ-523 Wheeled APC
# Type 98 anti-tank rocket 120 mm anti-tank rocket system



I'm on the bottom left, the guys to my right were both killed, except for the guy sitting on the hood. By the Chi-Com RPG.

Instead of sending your money to China, and allowing them produce these. To sneak into Iran, then across the border to kill our troops. Why don't you just buy a used 870 or Ithaca 37, (I saw a used one at the gun shop for $225), and keep the money here at home, instead of killing our troops with it.

Allow me to introduce myself, My name is Sgt. Kitchen, I'm a totally disabled Vet. Thanks to the weapon listed 3rd from the bottom.

 

[DAVIDSDIVAD]

Badger, you take this internet thing too seriously.

The simple fact is, that you don't use the ghost rings like a rear and front sight system.
You simply shoulder the shotgun correctly, and pay attention to the front sight.

It's just fast.

 

[Badger Arms]

Once again, the implication that if I disagree with you, I'm ignorant or I just haven't used GRS. Far to the contrary, you are misguided. I don't need to say it again, but the facts are clearly laid out in my above posts. If you decide to ignore it... well that's just your loss I guess.

 

[MAX100]

Oh my! An other post dominated by Max the lover of cheap Chinese guns. Oh well it makes for interesting reading.

So what's your point. As you can see by the recent threads on the Pardner Pump shotguns I am not the only one. They have become quite popular for a reason. I suspect you'll give in soon and pick one up but don't tell anyone. They are a heck of a deal.

Here's a list of a few things you fund when you buy one these Chinese copies

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[zhyla]

Nothing wrong with inexpensive foreign-made equipment, long as it works. Seems like it's hard to screw up something as simple as a pump shotgun.

 

[DAVIDSDIVAD]

Once again, the implication that if I disagree with you, I'm ignorant or I just haven't used GRS. Far to the contrary, you are misguided. I don't need to say it again, but the facts are clearly laid out in my above posts. If you decide to ignore it... well that's just your loss I guess.

You're correct, Badger, I am misguided in that your posts seem to indicate that you are ignorant of the correct usage.

You keep saying something along the lines of "ghost rings are just for making slug shooting more accurate" which leads me to believe that you think they're a big form of aperture sights.

Badger, you didn't post any facts.

You posted an opinion that you believe strongly in, and then you posted an observation concerning Olympic sport shooting.

 

[Badger Arms]

FACT: Ghost ring sights are SLOWER than a bead or rib with a bead. Do you disagree?

FACT: Ghost ring sights are more ACCURATE than bead or rib with a bead when shooting slugs.

FACT: Bead sights and ribs with beads will ALWAYS be faster than Ghost Ring sights.

FACT: I know how to use Ghost Ring sights and don't think people are idiots for getting them, but as they are marketed, they are a gimic to sell guns. Very few people actually require GRS or have a situation that would be improved by their attachment. If you fall into the group of people who shoot slugs virtually exclusively and shot rarely, then spend the extra money.

You're wrong. I'm starting to think that you're just trolling, so this is the last time I'll state it. That you deny these facts is a bit telling of ANY of your opinions on ANY subject.

 

[MAX100]

GRS have already been debated by professionals & proven on a Tactical shotgun by professionals, case closed. You either like them or you don't.


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[lobo9er]

benelli seems to think GRS are ok and no one knocks benelli for using them more accurate with slugs doesnt really make it a bad thing either besides buck shot doesnt open up that much dont see why ghost ring sight would be bad for buck shot if you train with it there shouldn't be any problems. its more of a personal like or dislike

 

[DAVIDSDIVAD]

FACT: Ghost ring sights are SLOWER than a bead or rib with a bead. Do you disagree?

FACT: Ghost ring sights are more ACCURATE than bead or rib with a bead when shooting slugs.

FACT: Bead sights and ribs with beads will ALWAYS be faster than Ghost Ring sights.

FACT: I know how to use Ghost Ring sights and don't think people are idiots for getting them, but as they are marketed, they are a gimic to sell guns. Very few people actually require GRS or have a situation that would be improved by their attachment. If you fall into the group of people who shoot slugs virtually exclusively and shot rarely, then spend the extra money.

You're wrong. I'm starting to think that you're just trolling, so this is the last time I'll state it. That you deny these facts is a bit telling of ANY of your opinions on ANY subject.

Dude, just because you strongly agree with something doesn't make it a fact.
You seem to have a less than solid understanding of the word fact and its usage.


FACT: Water is made of two hydrogens and one oxygen.

Observation that I strongly agree with: sparkling water is more refreshing than still water.

By the by, I have actually shot clays with a 590 that had GRS on it. I did much better than the guy next to me with a little golden ball sitting on the front of his barrel.

 

[zhyla]

Observation that I strongly agree with: sparkling water is more refreshing than still water.

You dare to insult our knowledge of water!!!

Seriously, Badger, while I could be convinced that beads are better for shooting close, moving targets, you haven't provided any. Prepending "FACT" on something without actual data just makes you look ignorant.

The only semi-scientific thing I've read about sights is that GRS promote measurably fast target acquisition. I think that was in comparison to normal rifle sights, not beads. It would not surprise me if GRS and beads are equally fast since you're really doing the same thing - just looking at the front sight and ignoring what is in the rear.

 

[Youngster]

I think the idea of ghost ring sights is great but in typical practice the sight picture is too cluttered because the sights are just mounted too far forward.

 

[amd6547]

Well, I think we need a chorus of demands for a course of fire..."COF,COF,COF"--"prove it,prove it".
Personally, I think that a person who is good with a shotgun, and knows his weapon and ammo, would do great work with GRS equipped shotgun point shooting up close, yet still have the ability to reach out with slugs. Sounds like a win-win, to me.

 

[lobo9er]

Sounds like a win-win, to me.

me too i dont even see what there is to argue about though either you like grs or you don't kinda od thing to be super opinionated about there not a gimmick just a sight if it came with laz'ors maybe you could call it gimmicky or a pair of tactical knee pads and kevlar helmet that might make me want one more

 

[Dave McCracken]

The first set of GRS I ever saw was mounted on an elderly Remington Model 8 rifle ca 1962. A Lyman peep, the owner had removed the aperture and used the hole to sight through for fast shots.

IIRC, he was a vet of the 29th Infantry as several of my Pop's friends were.

My take on GRS setups is simple.

I use Lyman or Williams peep sights with the aperture out. The sight is mounted close to my master eye and looking through the hole and finding the front sight is fast, easy and certain even under stress in short time frame situations.

Similar sights are mounted on all my deer guns. MD hunting is oft fast and close.

At close range, I think I'm faster with a bead, but the difference is slight.

And, I've run no timed tests, so this is merely an opinion.

Finally, everyone better play nice or the padlock goes on the door....

 

[Norinco982lover]

The Hawk 982 is very good low cost choice also and very reliable.

That's what I've got You can tell by my username that I like it.