Northern Illinois University Shooting

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FROM the emergency guide a NIU, regarding how students are supposed to deal with a violent crime in progress:

Seems like even harsh language thrown at the attacker is not sanctioned. Clearly shows a carefully thought out and logical plan appropriate to any act of violence initiated by a gerbil.

Violent Crime In Progress

If exiting the building is possible:
• Exit the building immediately.
• Notify others as you exit the building.
• Be aware of your surroundings.
• Notify University Police at 911 immediately upon reaching a safe location.​
If exiting the building is not possible:
• Go to the nearest room or office.
• Close and lock the door.
• Cover the door windows.
• Keep quiet and act as if no one is in the room.
• DO NOT answer the door.
• Notify University Police at 911.​
 
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Everyone,

We are all that read these threads pro guns I assume. I could be wrong. Is a matter of fact I probably am. Well here goes, I am writing on behalf of the gun owners out there that are mature and responsible with the guns that we own and if there are any question we are not to proud to ask or not to selfish to help someone in need if they need it. I believe that we are living in a society that has been removed from the sensitivity of killing someone and the affect that it has on people. Ok, I got a little off track, the more I will write the more I will do that watch, so beware. Anyway, I was saying that in America today there are alot of things that are wrong, for instance look at what is on TV, or take a look at what is in magizines, and what is talked about in songs. On TV now it seems like America is more interested in what Brittney Spears is doing, or who Maxium has on the fornt cover, and what new song Marlyn Manson has came out with rather that what is going on in the rest of the world, or even what important things are going on with our presidential elections. I mean some kids out there are watching homosexuals on regular with their issuse that are made up on regular TV. Tell me what is right about that. THERE IS NOTHING RIGHT ABOUT THAT! Tell me what is right about a man running around with make up caked on his face singing about things that kids should not be listing to. Also there are games out there that promote rape, sex and violence. No wonder why we are having these problems. There are parents out there that give their kids pills to calm them down and call that parenting. Now I know there are some very legitimate cases and PLEASE KNOW that I am not saying this towards you. I do believe that there are things that we can do as AMERICANS to fix this problems and not one of them is getting rid of guns. It makes me ashamed that I am fighting for another to go around with alot of freedom and use it to kill and harm other AMERICANS. I wll finish this later. I am on a time limit and I cannot tiype anymore because I am in a foriegn country fighting for that persons rights. I apoligize if anything sounds ingnorant, I am writing from the way that I feel. GOD BLESS ALL!
 
Yes. You will learn to be a victim. You will learn to fear bullies. You will learn how much it costs to have reconstructive dental work.

Somehow, knowingly volunteering to get beat up by a bully sounds like a stupid idea.
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What I'm saying is if you get bloodied up a little when your 10, you likely learn a different way to resolve your problems. If the first time your put in this situation is when your 19, alone and in a dorm, a "simple" school yard fight becomes much larger.
 
A nutjob who was not a student at that school came on campus, murdered several students and wounded a lot of others. It boils down to another hideous case of murder and mayhem in a gun free zone. Surely the scumbag would have obeyed the "No Guns" signs had he seen them.

The over-educated panjandrums who run most colleges could care less about security. Most of them continue to believe that the presence of police with guns detracts from the ultra-liberal environment that they want to create.

Want to rape a female and get away with it: Go to a college campus. There is a good chance that the administration will just shush it up and not even notify the local police.
 
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So why is the identity of the shooter such close-hold information?
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the authorities usually like to keep things close to the vest until they can come up with the spin they want to make.
 
My heart and prayers go out to the victims, their families and friends.

I have heard, but do not know, that Illinois is largely anti-gun and/or has some really strict gun law. Some of my friends who compete in various gun sports totally avoid going through Illinois with their guns. If they can't, they don't go. Is it that bad?

Why does it make sense to lawmakers to take away a person's ability to protect themselves because of another's criminal conduct? Having to use your concealed carry may never happen, you hope the situation never arises, but you never know. On stage=clear field of fire. A couple of well placed rounds would have solved the problem pronto.

Gun free zones? Yeh-that worked.
 
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qoute from Fox news

He said 911 calls started coming in at 3:06 p.m. and police were on scene 29 seconds later.

"Twenty-nine seconds was not fast enough," Grady said..
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Kind of makes the ccw argument easier.
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That about says it all.

So what do the police do when they arrive on the scene?

They establish a perimeter. Then they try to figure out what is going on and where. Then they try to get a plan together... then they execute the plan. How long does that take?

The main focus of the plan is the safety of the police officers. This is not a bash on police officers, this is reality.

I am both sad and angered. Not at the police, but at the (fill in the blank) people who do this kind of stuff.

Why can't these people go off somewhere by themselves when they decide to commit suicide? Depressed people with a super-ego? The ultimate way to go out for an attention-getting cry-baby? I just don't get it.
 
The worst part about these shootings is that these people are wise to the fact that schools contain some of the most defensless and unexpecting people on the planet.

It's no wonder we don't hear of grocery store shootings or mall shootings.

I refuse to ever admit that no more guns means no more psychopaths. Where there's a will there're a way. Just look at the guy who hacked up his psychiatrist.

These people KNOW they are unarmed and face legal prosecution/expulsion if they try to defend themselves.

It angers me to death that they prey on that fact and it angers me even more that everyone else is ignorant to it.
 
My thoughts and prayers are certainly with the victims and families of this ridiculously senseless act.

I'm afraid we're about to enter another time period of unfriendliness towards law-abiding gun owners - the potential is certainly there with a democratic controlled congress and the potential of a democratic President. I don't think there is anything wrong with banding together to protect our rights. It's going to become increasingly important - so I don't think it's in poor taste to discuss this shortly after a shooting, because we all know the antis are going to use this as an example.

Those on this board understand that gun laws only restrict those who actually follow the law, and further empower those who don't. One, two, or three properly trained CHL holders in that classroom would not have prevented this incident, but they certainly could have decreased the numbers injured and killed. They would have had the CHOICE to protect themselves as opposed to just being victimized. This is the messsage we need to get across to those who don't understand the argument.
 
I have heard, but do not know, that Illinois is largely anti-gun and/or has some really strict gun law. Some of my friends who compete in various gun sports totally avoid going through Illinois with their guns. If they can't, they don't go. Is it that bad?
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Illinois is not that bad for gun ownership, outside of Chicago and some of its suburbs. You can't carry a loaded firearm for self protection for the most part. If your friends keep their guns unloaded and encased while in Illinois, except while actually shooting at the range, they won't be violating the law as long as they stay out of the Chicago sewer pit. I am not entirely sure, but I think the Chicago ban even allows non-residents of Chicago to pass through Chicago with unloaded and encased firearms. IIRC, the encased part is a little more strict than the state standard.

Why does it make sense to lawmakers to take away a person's ability to protect themselves because of another's criminal conduct?
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They want victims. They hope it leads to a demand for more government. Its all about control.
 
When you allow evil to dictate the rights and liberty of free people then there exists a motivation for tyrants to if not cause, at least revel, in the acts committed by evil people. Who is celebrating their political causes in the wake of this tragedy?


Ditto; "You will learn to fear"

I will learn to despise control freaks who disarm the innocent.

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It's no wonder we don't hear of grocery store shootings or mall shootings.
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We do. Omaha, Salt Lake City, and Tinley Park (Lane Bryant) come to mind immediately.
Basically any place that is posted "gun free" with lots of people is an open invitation for nutbags wanting to go out in a blaze of glory with lots of media coverage. Our media people are as much at fault as the "gun-free area" mentality. As long as the news people continue to hype this stuff to the max to get viewers, We'll see nutbags lining up for camera coverage. And unfortunately, the REAL news they do show has a tendency to make the rest of us more numb to killing. I'd hate to count the number of bodies I see on an average daily 1/2 hour national news broadcast.
BTW: A large chain grocery store not that far from my home was hit twice last month.
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when my daughter goes to college. if she so chooses to carry, then i will stand behind her. no matter what the school laws say. if she gets expelled for shooting an attacker then so be it.

there is alway a college online, but i be damned if she is going to be a shoot and see target.

i feel for the families of this tragedy and any other that has happened in this lifetime. but if people do not do something about their legislation then nothing is going to change. well it will, but for the worst.
 
Basically any place that is posted "gun free" with lots of people is an open invitation for nutbags wanting to go out in a blaze of glory with lots of media coverage.
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I am not so sure the gun free postings have much to do with it. More likely these nuts are just looking for lots of victims to kill, and where there are lots of victims available tend to be gun free zones.
 
I am not so sure the gun free postings have much to do with it. More likely these nuts are just looking for lots of victims to kill, and where there are lots of victims available tend to be gun free zones.
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It's the old "chicken or the egg".
Places like malls, schools, etc are usually posted as gun-free zones because there are large crowds there....the large crowds are easy targets because they are unarmed....they are unarmed because they were posted as gun-free...they are posted as gun-free because there are large crowds....the large crowds are easy targets because they are unarmed....they are unarmed because they were posted as gun-free.....they are posted as gun-free because there are large crowds....
Jack
 
Good Morning America interviewed a male student who was wounded. He said that as soon as he saw the gun he cut and run....leaving his girlfriend behind. Only when he was safely outside did he wonder what happened to her.

It will be interesting to see if their relationship survives his 'heroism'.

Pilgrim
 
I live in Florida. The carry law is "shall issue". Firearms are not allowed on college campuses. Non lethal weapons are allowed. If I choose to carry on a college campus, I have committed a crime for which I can be prosecuted.

This doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I believe that Florida has issued over 1 million carry permits since the carry laws were inacted. There have only been 5 "reported" cases that I know about of persons committing crimes with the weapons they were permitted to carry. Statistically, a person without a carry permit is more likely to commit a crime using a gun than one who is legally permitted to carry one.

When I first received my carry permit, I was absolutely shocked, and I mean shocked, to learn how many persons that I come into contact with on a daily basis legally and regularly carry a firearm. If legal carry does nothing else, it should give the criminals pause to think about whether the person they are about to victimize can and will shoot back.

I refuse to be a victim. I also refuse to abdicate my personal safety and the safety of my family to another. I fully recognize and appreciate the responsibility of choosing to carry a firearm. Most LEOs respect and applaude this recognizing that when seconds count, they are only minutes away.

A democratic president and congress greatly concerns me, especially the current slate. We need to be involved in the process and let our views be known.
 
This is way to close to home. It almost doesn't seem real when it happens in Colorado or Virginia. But NIU, I live 45min away(about 30 miles). I did my freshmen year there(2003-2004), I switched to the local community college, I changed my major and was planning on going back this year. I was a little behind on credits and was not able to go back this year. It is just so crazy to think that I could of(or even should of) been there.

I always vote for the candidates that support gun rights. I am an NRA member. I have written my congressman asking for CCW. No matter what in Illinois, as long as Chicago is part of it, we will always be denied our basic constitutional and human rights.

One of Illinois' own, Barack Obama, is running for President. This tragedy is one of many examples of why we must not let him in the White House.
 
Outrages like this really make one think about the supposedly "wild" west. Would anyone dare do a thing like this when most of the men and some of the women are toting steel?

The fact is, even with our gun culture, we live in an age of helplessness. People who don't carry a gun (or in my case, wish they could) can't even imagine any rational person doing such a thing, and don't have any plans to ever take their security seriously beyond a few magic totems they think will protect them. For most people, security goes about as far as holding their keys between their fingers or leaving an envelope full of $1 bills by the door so that the burglar will "see that and not take anything else."

Therefore, when someone decides to go out and avenge themselves on the world, they know deep down in their guts that their targets will be helpless, harmless, and completely at a loss for what to do. They won't even have to fear an unarmed response with improvised weapons. "Good" people don't fight back.

These outrages will continue until we as a people, as a culture, go back to the "uncivilized" ways of being armed AS A WAY OF LIFE. Where a gentleman is not considered such unless armed and ready to defend himself and his companions. (And the same should go for his counterpart, the truly liberated woman.)

So, since that's basically not gonna happen, I'm giving a +1 on Britney Spears doing something crazy so the people just forget. I hate to suggest that people forget such a terrible event, but if they're not going to draw the correct conclusion from this, forgetting's the only good remaining option.
 
OK,any minute we will be hearing about how bad guns and the NRA are.Next we will be hearing from people who knew this nut job saying that they were just waiting for this to happen as he was acting weird,talking about pay back etc etc blah blah blah.Most of these shootings could be stopped if people would remove their heads from the sand and contact schools,police about these folks.But noooooooooooooooooo,lets wait till it's all over and then give our statements.If these things were occurring anywhere else,the press here would be reporting it as Terrorism,which it is but just being done by individuals with their own personal Jihads.Wake up America,and smell the violence.
 
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